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VivianaSings
- I do see your point. However, here is a few more thoughts:
i do not believe a self employed composer is using samples to maximize profits - it's more likely, so he / she can get paid less than minimum hourly rate. And that at best... I am also sure that composers (especially the trained ones) would rather pay a real violin player to play a solo rather than deal with VI's.
Hiring a college orchestra / ensemble, or other ensembles, groups and such, is not realistic, at least for most of the time. At this has to do with production timelines. One of the projects I recently worked on had a two weeks deadline for final delivery for 45 minutes of music. And as I was working on the score the film was still being edited - locked picture was not done until a couple of days before the delivery deadline. Obviously, there is nothing we composers can do when in such a timeline, and as we say, it-is-what-it-is. Can I bring a few musicians to sweeten things up here and there - when from a business perspective I don't have to? Absolutely, I do it all the time - simply and most importantly for my own professional satisfaction.
Libraries / Joshua Bell library - I just purchased it actually.
If Joshua Bell doesn't see an ethical issue in making the library, why should I have one using it? Libraries are tools that make the composer's life more easy, during the mock-up / approval stages, increase the production value of scores and are not meant to 100% replace musicians. On the other hand, the musicians performing in such libraries, were paid for their services. In some cases, such as with libraries from
Cinesamples, musicians are also paid residuals on every copy of the library sold (the way it should be.)
Second, when you lower the bars to entry and especially when you lower the technical ability needed, what do you think is going to happen? Not only do you have programs that orchestrate for you as you play, you have phrase libraries now. People who can't write their way out of a paper bag are cutting and pasting phrases. So when the guy who has 20 years experience and an expensive music school education is competing against the guy with minimal ability but using Sonokinetic libraries and OT orchestral runs, who do you think the company is going to look at when the end result sounds the same but the guy using the phrase libraries is willing to give his stuff away for pennies because it really didn't cost him much to make in the first place in terms of labor or knowledge, and he's a weekend warrior and makes a living with his day job so money's not a big deal. Now think about the thousands of people like this flooding cheap licensing sites with their pre-baked compositions.
I am personally classically trained and my music education has started at 5 years old, so....
Unfortunately, we cannot stop people from saying I am a film / TV composer, or stop Sonokinetic do their phrases libraries (they've hired real musicians too for those libraries btw.) As an analogy, you can't blame a person for opening up a restaurant, just because they're selling fast-food and they've zero culinary knowledge. You just don't go to eat there if you understand what proper cuisine is. I aim to work within a specific target and with people that value music in their productions and value my contribution. Filmmakers that do not care for their projects do not interest me.
Is it easy running my 'business' this way? No...
Is it professionally satisfying working this way? Yes...
Third, I saw this coming over two decades ago when I saw the barriers to entry being lowered. I said back then on forums that there should be mandatory licensing for professional musicians and composers, at the very least based on that their sole income is from music and "musician" or "Composer" is listed on their tax return. And that no one but licensed musicians and composers be allowed to take part in any commerce concerning music. Weekend warriors and amateurs can be allowed to compose as much as they like but they shouldn't be allowed to submit work to libraries or take composing gigs under threat of legal action for being unlicensed. I was chased off forums with pitchforks and told that I was "disgustingly elitist" and that I'm a "have" trying to keep the "have-nots" out.
I am for professional standards or unions, just as with almost every profession in the industry. I agree with you on the fact that everyone now is in the same 'pot'... even in these forums for example. Everyone has an opinion
Well, you reap what you sow. Not me though because I saw this coming and networked and hitched my wagon to one of the top TV composers out there and have worked steadily for the past decade as his orchestrator and doing a lot of session work for him on top of it, so my work and income remain steady. He's not one of the guys who's going to be affected by this.
- That is smart and definitely one way of doing it. I used to work for 5 years for one of the top guys too, amicably moved on and chose to follow my own path. With all the chaos in our industry, so far - so good.
No one's gonna unionize. You're not gonna get this horse back in the barn now that it's out. If you were one of the guys working cheap with your sample libraries to undercut the big composers, don't cry that there's guys under you that will undercut you for the same reason.
- I agree, unionizing is the right thing to do. I am very skeptical if this is something that can be achieved, at least for the time being. However, I do not see how 'me + samples' can undercut John Powell or Hans Zimmer. It just doesn't work...
If 'me + samples' undercut any one for the same project is probably 'another composer + samples,' and me getting the project - most of the time - has to do with a lot of factors than just the music itself.
Seriously, it's hilarious to see people crying that rats ate through the hull and the ship is sinking when half of you brought the rats on board with you to begin with. I have a bad feeling, like 20 years ago that I'm gonna get flogged for this post, but what I speak of is true and looking at this thread I kind of float between feeling bad for everyone and feeling vindicated after being chased with torches and pitchforks.
True...
Whoever chased you at the time had a different opinion than yours / mine and so on - I am happy you're feeling vindicated now
Hopefully we can have a discussion, about the state of our industry and bring forward beneficial ideas.
I believe there is room for everyone in our industry, at every level. With so much content being created there is a need for original music. Everyone will find their own path, be that by working for free (one cannot sustain it and there is no future,) or by working within ethical and professional standards (the long road, but a more rewarding one.)
It starts with having the guts to say 'no' at times, to work a lot to master professional skills, to find your voice as a composer, and most importantly to not lose the passion and motivation in doing what we do. After all, we are creators, that's our job...