Dirk Ulrich leaves NI.

[kitekrazy]

I lately got an email from NI, that the newest Kontakt 7 update is fully Sonoma compatible. Two days later I got a second email, that it isn't fully compatible.

And yes, I remember, that they once needed over half a year to get compatible with the latest macOS release. Since then I usually upgrade macOS in summer to avoid issues.

So ... yes ... the money people took over :-( You also see that with the latest synth releases ... Analog Dreams, Ashlight, etc. ... all the same minimalistic concept. The days of good new Reaktor based synths like Razor seem to be over.

So is this the issue of the blank screen on Kontakt 7. I would have to upgrade a graphics card just to use 7 on Windows. Real brilliance there NI. That kind of nonsense is for game developers.

 

[Aymara]

That kind of nonsense is for game developers.

Most AAA game developers do a better job ... especially much faster.

 

[pefra]

So is this the issue of the blank screen on Kontakt 7. I would have to upgrade a graphics card just to use 7 on Windows. Real brilliance there NI. That kind of nonsense is for game developers.

"There's so many things people fail to see in Kontakt." You said so...

 

[kitekrazy]

"There's so many things people fail to see in Kontakt." You said so...

Also NI....but even more the 3 headed monster
Izotope support has declined
No more PA vouchers but that has cured plugin hoarding

 

[pefra]

Also NI....but even more the 3 headed monster
Izotope support has declined
No more PA vouchers but that has cured plugin hoarding

Glad you got the joke

 

[Bee_Abney]

Glad you got the joke

I just got it too now! Well done!

 

[arafaratanran]

For real if this ship goes down. I wonder if we can make sure the development of stuff like Kontakt ends up in good, non-cash-hungry hands.

This really makes me wonder: do we actually live in a capitalist society or when did people start to really believe in the empty corporate phrases like “we work with passion to make this world a better place”? In capitalism, everyone works because of cash hunger. On an individual basis you might find some people here that also have other motives like enjoying their work, although that is a second thought for most people, as you have to be able to afford that “mindset” to start with …

However, when we are talking about companies, forget it! They are all in it for cash hunger. And the bigger they get the greedier they get. And this is not by accident.

The best thing we can hope for is that someone decides that to much greed could be counterproductive as it could destroy the whole company. So, the best we may get is a moderately cash hungry Native Instruments. No one will ever buy NI just to ensure that composers keep their tools. Everyone who’d buy it would only do it in expectation of great profit.

 

[mbishop]

Seems relevant to the discussion: a pithy word to describe this trend.

Enshittification - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[nortiks]

Seems relevant to the discussion: a pithy word to describe this trend.

Enshittification - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LOL, the picture of the guy who coined the term on the Wiki page is saying "you know I'm right!"

 

[LA68]

Yeah nothing is too big to fail. On a long enough timeline all companies die yada yada.

There's quite a difference between the "too big to fail" kind of company and NI, though. It'd undoubtedly be a big problem for users that are heavily invested into NIs ecosystem if they went under, but I don't feel like they have much to offer these days that cannot be replaced. Maybe I'm wrong. Idk.

 

[nortiks]

There's quite a difference between the "too big to fail" kind of company and NI, though. It'd undoubtedly be a big problem for users that are heavily invested into NIs ecosystem if they went under, but I don't feel like they have much to offer these days that cannot be replaced. Maybe I'm wrong. Idk.

NI won't ever go away imo. Maybe it goes BK and reemerges, or maybe it gets sold again.

LOL, maybe Dirk buys it a year or two from now for 10 cents on the dollar. Wouldn't that be a hoot! Stranger things have happened!

 

[gzapper]

I went to a store yesterday and interac was down. They said almost nobody has cash so they lost the day of sales. iLok used to freak people out for this. But imagine what would happen if we woke up one day and native access killed Kontakt, that would suck.

 

[Guy Rowland]

But imagine what would happen if we woke up one day and native access killed Kontakt

There's a movie trilogy concept right there.

 

[Pier]

There's quite a difference between the "too big to fail" kind of company and NI, though. It'd undoubtedly be a big problem for users that are heavily invested into NIs ecosystem if they went under, but I don't feel like they have much to offer these days that cannot be replaced. Maybe I'm wrong. Idk.

What I meant is that NI is not going to close shop any time soon. It's not a sinking ship by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[kitekrazy]

What I meant is that NI is not going to close shop any time soon. It's not a sinking ship by any stretch of the imagination.

Nope. They are also a popular hardware company.
The exception is if Gibson buys them.

 

[kitekrazy]

This really makes me wonder: do we actually live in a capitalist society or when did people start to really believe in the empty corporate phrases like “we work with passion to make this world a better place”? In capitalism, everyone works because of cash hunger. On an individual basis you might find some people here that also have other motives like enjoying their work, although that is a second thought for most people, as you have to be able to afford that “mindset” to start with …

However, when we are talking about companies, forget it! They are all in it for cash hunger. And the bigger they get the greedier they get. And this is not by accident.

The best thing we can hope for is that someone decides that to much greed could be counterproductive as it could destroy the whole company. So, the best we may get is a moderately cash hungry Native Instruments. No one will ever buy NI just to ensure that composers keep their tools. Everyone who’d buy it would only do it in expectation of great profit.

Hasn't happened yet. I wouldn't hold out on that. You gotta love small developers.

 

[kitekrazy]

Seems relevant to the discussion: a pithy word to describe this trend.

Enshittification - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's a disease.

Shit eventually rolls down hill.

Native Asshat - often broken
Izotope - logging into your account broken

What is starting to irritate me more with developers requiring you to have their app jut to get the product. It can be a headache for someone starting a new build from scratch.

 

[Aymara]

The exception is if Gibson buys them.

Then good night ... as we say in Germany.

 

[pefra]

This really makes me wonder: do we actually live in a capitalist society or when did people start to really believe in the empty corporate phrases like “we work with passion to make this world a better place”? In capitalism, everyone works because of cash hunger. On an individual basis you might find some people here that also have other motives like enjoying their work, although that is a second thought for most people, as you have to be able to afford that “mindset” to start with …

However, when we are talking about companies, forget it! They are all in it for cash hunger. And the bigger they get the greedier they get. And this is not by accident.

The best thing we can hope for is that someone decides that to much greed could be counterproductive as it could destroy the whole company. So, the best we may get is a moderately cash hungry Native Instruments. No one will ever buy NI just to ensure that composers keep their tools. Everyone who’d buy it would only do it in expectation of great profit.

Couldn't have said it better, exactly my thoughts! And you can find a lot of examples if you look around...