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Has anyone tried the MOMENTUM Program?

Didn’t he come out with a ‘lower cost’ momentum program ? (I recall getting an email about something like that) I have nothing to add + or - about the momentum program Btw , but I swear I saw something about a scaled down lower cost momentum course , perhaps that’s a way for you to try it out and see if it’s a good fit for you ?
 
Someone just made me aware of this thread via DM and I just wanted to come on here and clarify that I am NOT a mentor or any active part of Momentum. I gave a few lessons earlier last year and then bowed out of the program. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't have time to update their website in the past 10 months.
 
If you are running a platform and a composer is still listed under a section that says "Your Mentors for the Next 6 Months", when they have not been part of the program for 10 months, I can only chalk that up to blatantly false advertising (that's likely trying to leverage the popularity of that composer amongst the broader aspirational composer market to try and reel in additional bright-eyed hopefuls under false pretenses).
 
ALittleNightMusic said:
If you are running a platform and a composer is still listed under a section that says "Your Mentors for the Next 6 Months", when they have not been part of the program for 10 months, I can only chalk that up to blatantly false advertising (that's likely trying to leverage the popularity of that composer amongst the broader aspirational composer market to try and reel in additional bright-eyed hopefuls under false pretenses).
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Are you saying I'm popular? 🥹🥲🫠😊:emoji_hugging:
 
A.Dern said:
Someone just made me aware of this thread via DM and I just wanted to come on here and clarify that I am NOT a mentor or any active part of Momentum. I gave a few lessons earlier last year and then bowed out of the program. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't have time to update their website in the past 10 months.
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Damn I spent 14 800$ because I wanted you to mentor me. Now I'm lost 😔
 
A.Dern said:
Someone just made me aware of this thread via DM and I just wanted to come on here and clarify that I am NOT a mentor or any active part of Momentum. I gave a few lessons earlier last year and then bowed out of the program. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't have time to update their website in the past 10 months.
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Haven't visited Marc's website but the banner for momentum on vi control has had you and Dirk's picture in constant rotation as a major selling point to sign up for the program. I would say your internet fame is being used very strategically on this site....
 
R.G. said:
The last video I mentioned will require a couple of graphics. It’s from the Heppelmann channel (sorry about screwing up the last name previously), and the video is titled: The Orchestral Concert Harp.

The first big problem, which is not Chaloupka related, is about how to notate pedaling, at 4:52. Harp pedalings go beneath the bass stave (or in very simple parts, can be placed between the staves), but here he has them above the treble. And the single pedal change (to B-nat. in this instance) should not be boxed. Boxed text indications are reserved for foot-crossover changes. The box alerts the harpist to the non-idiomatic deviations.

The next problem is that he notates the active pedal change early, before the string it applies to. You can’t do it this way, because if the pedal change happens early, any strings from that string class that are still audibly ringing will pop out a nasty artifact to pin on string, plus a mini-gliss, so the pedal change has to happen as that string is plucked.
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To learn from my errors in making the video, and to improve my knowledge of harp writing, are there any scores or resources that you recommend on the subject? I don't mean to have bad information in my teaching.
 
Post Singularity said:
I have seen long discussions with negative comments on this forum , I ve never seen a serious business respond in that manner . As an example , recently Arturia released an update for their instrument collection and a lot of people thought the price was too high or unjustified ... you can find pages and pages of those comments .

Berklee is a well known established name and from what I have seen is also much cheaper for one of their online courses .

I won't believe for a second that it does work because that would be too easy If all it took to succeed was spending 14 500 $ ... even sounds a little bit like a Ponzi scheme .
There is literally 0 risk in not spending that money for an online course .
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It is a fair point and one I definitely agree with in regard to the success rate as I don't think anyone believes that this course will basically open every single door etc. But when we have people willing to put their names forward to defend the course then we have to admit that for SOME it works.

As I said personally it isn't for me so I have no horse in this race. But I was just saying that at the end of the day OP has to remember that 15k is a lot of money and if this thing really does work for some that success isn't a going to happen for everyone or even most people. And therefore they have to ask if that risk is worth 15k?

As I said before and will say again more clearly, for me that's a no.
 
R.G. said:
He seems overall to be strenuously avoiding notation, and my guess is that he’s playing to his preferred target sales demographic of "orchestral composers" who can’t read music.
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I have never felt more attacked in my life😂😂😂

Now I definitely have to clear some time in the evenings to learn notation🥲
 
Rossy said:
This year I am going to enter as many competitions as I can, mostly for practice and that's why I started this thread as I believe I lack good compositional structure or at least guidance.
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In a way you've answered your own question. If you feel you lack the compositional structure, and this isn't money you can spend easily, then isn't this the place to pause, and ask yourself if spending 14k on a course is the best place to start? Read below, then ask yourself if 6 months really sounds like enough preperation... If being frank, you could just stop right here, and ask yourself if the whole thing sounds like it's too good to be true...

Also, assuming you'd somehow be ready to handle client work in 6 months is putting the cart before the horse. Scoring a film is a lot more complicated than simply writing music. There's a whole technical set of skills that you really only learn by either doing it yourself or assisting someone who does... Spotting the film with the director, working with evolving timecode, having a template set up to print & deliver stems in a systematic way, expectations that revisions can be around the corner at any moment because the odds of getting to score a locked picture might as well be zero, or a cue wasn't up to snuff and some changes need to be made...

On top of that you have to deliver work on time, while being able to manage the pressure to do so, while being able to respond to emails, phone calls, texts, etc when someone notifies you that there's a fire you have to put out, or some changes need to made ASAP... There's a reason why film composers have assistants. It's literally too much work for one person...

You might want to look at Trevor Morris & Tom Holkenborg's channels, specifically their AMAs... They're pretty explicit about the unsexy parts of the job, stuff that isn't typically taught in a classroom... The two below should give you a pretty good idea of just how many moving parts there are...


Tom Holkenborg. (Notice that writing music is listed last, not 1st)...




Trevor Morris AMA:

 
Henu said:
I didn't comment earlier because I'm trying my best to follow the guideline about saying nothing instead of saying negative things. Let's just say that I highly, highly advice to spend your money elsewhere for obvious reasons.
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Wait is that really a forum guideline? Why haven't I been banned yet? Mike must secretly admire me.

Also +1 for scoreclub, Alain is a great teacher and a great person.
 
Oh this Jovani feels scammy as hell. Some very positive comments feel like scam. He’s all over the place on Insta and FB. Hence, I know from a befriended composer who took the course it’s a actually a scam. He’s trying hard to give you the feeling that if you can pay a lot of money you can buy a career as a film composer. It’s not the way it works…I seriously don’t know why you would fall for this trap.
 
JeffvR said:
Oh this Jovani feels scammy as hell. Some very positive comments feel like scam. He’s all over the place on Insta and FB. Hence, I know from a befriended composer who took the course it’s a actually a scam. He’s trying hard to give you the feeling that if you can pay a lot of money you can buy a career as a film composer. It’s not the way it works…I seriously don’t know why you would fall for this trap.
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Such practices drives me crazy. It's so obvious but can't do anything but the more it's being talked about the more evidence is on the internet so when someone researching on google, he will find out. Even his previous 2-3k courses went on sale around 95% discount. And these threads also had magically positive replies from new accounts. Mentum sales pitch is just extreme for extreme price. Man has wife, kids but no morals. Strange to me.
 
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A.Dern said:
Someone just made me aware of this thread via DM and I just wanted to come on here and clarify that I am NOT a mentor or any active part of Momentum. I gave a few lessons earlier last year and then bowed out of the program. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't have time to update their website in the past 10 months.
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Perhaps they would hope to invoke the words "Please note: The lineup of teachers or the specific order of classes can occasionally vary depending on their availability. These professionals are often busy, and at times, they may be overwhelmed with projects. In such instances, their class might be rescheduled, or a replacement of the same caliber will teach the class." But the website clearly implies that AKD is expected to be available, if only for the "shared masterclasses" in month 6 (assuming that "Anne Kathring" is a typo). If Mr Jovani has no reason to suppose that she might be available, I think we can draw our own conclusions.
 
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In momentums defence, I don't think they state you'll be getting live teaching sessions with the people they list on there, although they definitely make it appear you do and they must know that. In the curriculum they say 'masterclasses', which just seems to be a word thrown around for any kind of session in the last few years, live or prerecorded.

Has anyone tried the MOMENTUM Program?
 
I just want to take a quick moment to leave my 2 cents, as someone above has also referenced my name - I have been (and still am) a teacher in the Momentum program since roughly 2 1/2 years.

I am not involved in the administrative side of things (marketing, pricing etc) so I can't and won't comment on that. But what I can comment is on the fact that I know, that we as teachers do everything we can to create value and solid foundational education for our students within the program. Marc is a genuine guy who wants to bring knowledge to people. And he's also running a business , nothing wrong with that. Whether the price tag is justified or not is something each and everyone has to weigh on their own, I personally think if someone is interested in the program there are a lot of layers involved to solidify or negate the final decision to join. As it should be with something that comes at a premium price.

But I don't agree with anyone calling it a scam or rip off or the likes. It isn't. Will answer question of course when I can.

Cheers
Dirk
 
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