Then you probably (unfortunately) use the presets from VSL. They are all based on some positioning impulse responses that probably come from MIR (certain character).Hi Muziksculp!
...there is a certain character to their sound, that makes them less attractive in my view, and distracts from their playability, and other fine qualities...
I agree in large . Though I do use the presets in BBO, for the ease of use.Then you probably (unfortunately) use the presets from VSL. They are all based on some positioning impulse responses that probably come from MIR (certain character).
I can only recommend to select the preset "DEFAULT" (at the very bottom of the preset menus) and then set the desired position yourself with the various microphones and the panner. You will get the sound you were used to from VSL 10 to 20 years ago. Direct, fresh, present and without coloration.
By the way, this "recipe" is valid for all SYNCHRON and SYNCHRON-ized libraries.
Have fun
Beat
Wow, that's such a different sound than if you load up the mix presets. Thanks for sharing your mixing wisdom @Beat Kaufmann. The air sound is very in your face this way, but the character of the instrument is much improved.Hello together
Ben is right, there are no IRs in play with the synchronous libraries in connection with the VSL presets. Nevertheless, I also notice again and again the mentioned "character" in connection with the presets. >> again recommendation: use "DEFAULT" preset and make yourself what you want.
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This thread made me buy the VSL-Duduk and try it out. Basically, the instrument is recorded very quietly. So there is quite a bit of amplification needed. This is already a bit better if you use "Default". Using the microphones "Close" and "Mid" gives me a sound similar to the recordings in Youtub videos. To achieve a duduk sound like you hear in typical music pieces, you have to put some effort into the VSL duduk. Adding compression and punch is the order of the day. But then at the same time the air noises come a bit strongly to the fore. The sound is off and it sounds like "bottle" as mentioned above, I have not heard. The library would need a little more embellishments, this is actually a shortcoming in my opinion.
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By the way, I decided to buy a duduk myself As a saxophone player, I'll probably get a few notes relatively quickly. As it is, you have to reckon with about 400 euros.... in half a year it will be Christmas...
Have fun with my demo
Beat
This is because they only recorded one layer in the Duduk library, so the XF really isn't a a crossfade, it's a volume adjustment. And the layer that is recorded is at the edge of silence, pp or p or whatever, which is why it is so breathy. It unfortunately limits its usefulness to me to Duduk lines that are near the edge of silence. None of the Duduk libraries out there are perfect (I have pretty much all of them), so VSL had a big opportunity with this, and it is a shame that they stuck to only recording it playing very very quietly.The long notes do not have this problem, they have a beautiful breathy tone, but variation in the Vel.XF do not change the timbre at all. It sounds like it’s adding more of the same sample, and seem to do the same thing as the expression.
Oh waw, I’m surprised they would record only one layer for such an instrument… Makes sense then…This is because they only recorded one layer in the Duduk library, so the XF really isn't a a crossfade, it's a volume adjustment. And the layer that is recorded is at the edge of silence, pp or p or whatever, which is why it is so breathy. It unfortunately limits its usefulness to me to Duduk lines that are near the edge of silence. None of the Duduk libraries out there are perfect (I have pretty much all of them), so VSL had a big opportunity with this, and it is a shame that they stuck to only recording it playing very very quietly.
I feel like it would have been much better if they recorded two layers, or barring that, if the layer that was recorded was recorded at a bit louder of a dynamic than they actually did. It's a lot easier to simulate pp with timbre adjust on an mp or mf sample than it is to try to simulate mf by filtering a pp sample.
I'm hoping they go back and do additional recordings for this - maybe a lyrical legato Duduk recorded the same way as their new Synchron Flute1/Oboe2/Clarinet?
Ancient ERA Persia Duduk used at 2:58 here.
I've heard good things about Efimov's Duduk. Demos sure sounds great.Thanks, sounds nice, I’m actually debating between getting this one or the Ilya Efimov Armenian Duduk…
Brilliant! This made me laugh out loud - Albinoni on a Duduk is priceless. It sounds like a duck having a seizure! It would make perfect background music for a scene in a comedy film where someone is having a really horrible experience at a Turkish massage spa.Have fun with my demo
Beat
I find it beautiful. In a way, the sound recalls me some kind of an Ennio Morricone western movie vibe.Hello together
Ben is right, there are no IRs in play with the synchronous libraries in connection with the VSL presets. Nevertheless, I also notice again and again the mentioned "character" in connection with the presets. >> again recommendation: use "DEFAULT" preset and make yourself what you want.
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This thread made me buy the VSL-Duduk and try it out. Basically, the instrument is recorded very quietly. So there is quite a bit of amplification needed. This is already a bit better if you use "Default". Using the microphones "Close" and "Mid" gives me a sound similar to the recordings in Youtub videos. To achieve a duduk sound like you hear in typical music pieces, you have to put some effort into the VSL duduk. Adding compression and punch is the order of the day. But then at the same time the air noises come a bit strongly to the fore. The sound is off and it sounds like "bottle" as mentioned above, I have not heard. The library would need a little more embellishments, this is actually a shortcoming in my opinion.
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By the way, I decided to buy a duduk myself As a saxophone player, I'll probably get a few notes relatively quickly. As it is, you have to reckon with about 400 euros.... in half a year it will be Christmas...
Have fun with my demo
Beat
No disrespect intended - it just caught me off guard to hear the familiar opening of the Adagio and then suddenly, a warbling Duduk playing the theme. Like an arrangement of Schindler's List for swanee whistle or The Lark Ascending on kazoo.Hello Virtuoso
I don't know exactly what kind of statement you actually want to make. I am happy so far that my "arrangement" could trigger "something". I was obviously able to evoke laughter (negative?) and the memory of a (negative?) spa experience.