I mean look at the waveform, the volume barely changes the whole way through. If he really is playing from lowest dynamic to 2/3rds up you can see how severe souncloud compression is then, because that clip has very little dynamic range. I suggest just testing the patches yourself, as I cannot hear any overly intrusive noises at reasonable dynamics, other than on the releases as I already mentioned.
Pacific Strings Freebie
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Nando Florestan
Active Member
Hard to tell whether you are correct. Since there's no technical reason for more than 2 voices to be playing at once... and since I can see no convolution inside the sordino patch... where's all this CPU going?The fact that Pacific uses more CPU clearly is due to the increase in dynamic layers, resulting in more stereo streams (voices) playing at the same time. If that troubles you I suggest sticking to VI's with 2 dynamics or less.
No need to be snarky, you know. I like lots of dynamic layers as much as anyone else. However, developers do need to watch CPU usage. Maybe your number is higher than 1%, but surely there's a number...
But also recall that the volume is *really* cranked up.
I'd be curious what you might do with a library like this. I think your approach really pays off with libraries like VSL or Chris Hein. I don't think that this necessarily makes you a "purist" (Jasper is being a bit glib with the "not for purists" tagline), but simply very deeply engaged in the crafting nuances of your sound. With the experiments of people like yourself here on vi-c, I would never even consider libraries like MSS.
Pacific on the other hand ... ohh the sound, it just flows out of the box. I love the space. I love the dynamics. I love the elegant and lyrical squeakiness of the chairs on the ppppp layers, and I especially love the performances captured and am willing to forgive all manor of other technical sins for it. Same as my approach to Spitfire Solo Strings - lots of bumpiness and technical faults .. but all is forgiven when it gives that kind of expressiveness and sonority. I don't think that this means "not a purist" either, for I like to think I'm deeply engaged in crafting nuances of sound also, but just maybe in different technical dimension?
Although I guess "not for purists" is easier to fit on the logo that "for people deeply engaged in one particular set of parametric dimensions of crafting expressiveness and sonority and not necessarilty, though with some qualification, for some other people deeply engaged in certain other particular sets of parametric dimensions of crafting expressiveness and sonority"
Nando Florestan
Active Member
In my AMD CPU, this patch consumes as much as 4 LASS patches. Yes it is a Kontakt issue, but maybe there was a workaround available to reduce this. If legato were added to this patch, it would basically consume an entire core.
Simon Ravn
Senior Member
Wow, those sordinos are just amazing!
Bernard Duc
Active Member
There are many technical reasons for more than 2 voices to be playing at once.
Something else must be going on for you because it doesn't seem to be the experience of others here. If you're interested in why there are more than 2 samples being xfaded, Jasper has written up loads of the methodology on his website. And despite the fact that we are now playing way more dynamic layers, I've always found PS to be some of the lowest CPU patches I've encountered. Jasper refers to it as "old-gen" sampling - there is nothing crazy going on under the hood, just xfades, envelopes, and the samples themselves. If anything the legato will be less intense because it's 5 layers rather than the 9 we have here. I've never had trouble with Vista or Con Moto.
musicmaker9000
Member
Wow, great freebie :D
Snarf
Senior Member
@Nando Florestan what version of Kontakt are you running?
musicmaker9000
Member
First 30-60 minutes with the freebie.
Thought I would share, if it sounds bad, it's probably not the library at fault
(still a noobie)
View attachment performances samples 1.mp3
Thought I would share, if it sounds bad, it's probably not the library at fault
(still a noobie)View attachment performances samples 1.mp3
Hendrixon
Senior New
Yea Jasper's brass recordings are not stellar, the sounds he gets are all over the place from great to ok to awful.Any tips for getting the overwhelming distortion out of the close mic samples from Angry Brass Soloists besides just muting the close mics and only using the decca tree?
There is a trick I use A LOT, I tone match mics in libs I don't like, with the same mics from other libs. I of course couple "like" instruments. for example I have Berlin Brass, but Berlin gets mf to barely f, while ABP is all fff... so some logic is needed.
For example, here I tone matched the ABP solo horn close mic to ff-fff layers from three Cinebrass (queen of brass tone!) horns close mics:
Try to mimic those curves (I prefer the third match) and then match the volume to taste.
Btw, if you'll do that to all the ABP solo close mics you will see all of the matches will roll off the top in one way or another, that's not because Cinebrass is way darker, but because the distortion/clipping
in ABP solo close mics is creating higher harmonics that are not present in Cine.
The mids and lows boost is the difference between the Sony stage to the room Jasper uses, it really elevates PS brass to a higher level.
Nando Florestan
Active Member
Kontakt 6.6.1 (R139)
My CPU measurements have been consistent through all Kontakt 6.x versions.
I believe if people were to measure CPU the way I did in that thread, they would be surprised.
Zanshin
Trolljegeren
If it's not an actual problem - what's the point of testing? Everyone has different criteria for decision making. I get that your main criteria appears be CPU load. But I think to most - it's much ado about nothing. Certainly the CPU use from the freebie is not crazy high lol.
Nando Florestan
Active Member
Jesus Christ, Zanshin. Don't shoot the messenger! Sorry to rain on our Pacific parade, I am just calling the attention of like-minded users to a CPU usage that is indeed very high. I've said it and I am done, no use arguing about this, especially if you insist on contradicting my measurement without carrying out yours. I wouldn't still be here if you stopped calling me back.
Also I don't know how it is not a problem for a string quintet to consume 5 cores. Please teach me how to download more cores, evidently I need them.
By the way, nothing wrong with AMD CPUs, mkay?
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Zanshin
Trolljegeren
Nando I'm not shooting anyone. I am allowed to push back on things I disagree with?
Also we (you and I), don't know how much CPU the legato consumes. Maybe it'll be crazy high, I'll eat crow then - I just don't see that happening.
The good thing here, Jasper Blunk is nice enough to provide a freebie. I tried it, and for me, it confirmed I want it (surprise). For you, it helped you decide it wasn't going to work for you. That opportunity to try it, in and of itself, is awesome
Evans
Senior Member
As a total outsider, "what's the point of testing" and the assumption that CPU load doesn't matter to most - without anything to back it up - and the probably-not-applicable comment about AMD was just a little dismissive for no productive reason. That's all. A response could have simply been, "I find this acceptable and think it sounds great. Looking forward to a purchase!"
Zanshin
Trolljegeren
LOL! Thank you for the constructive feedback. Can I have your cell phone for so I can consult you in the future?
The AMD comment was a joke. I am sorry for any feelings I hurt.
Evans
Senior Member
Nope.
