Sennheiser HD-600?
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barteredbride
Hello and hola...a Brit in Spain
Ok thanks!
I´m off to do more research now on the DT 1990 Pro and Monolth M1060 !
I´m off to do more research now on the DT 1990 Pro and Monolth M1060 !
sostenuto
AKA _ doubtingtom37
Read some more detailed stuff re. modding Monolith M1060 for almost no cost, BUT just not going to invest knowing these issues exist with seemingly capable audiophiles .....
DT 880 Pro is now back on top and ready to order. Audio I/F budget is < $500. so Clarett 2pre USB either works with DT880 Pro, or will be forced to decicated HDfone Preamp /Amp. Likley Schiit Magni 3+, but this starts another frustrating search...
(edit) DT 880 Pro ordered. Moving forward toward Schiit ... :(
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Instrugramm
All of the samples? Yes please!
Like I said, either an eq'd pair of 58x Jubilees with felt mod (I would suggest gettin the 600s and the 58Xs, simply because the 58Xs are great ot listen to music to as well), 177X GOs with other pads (a bit less detail, but they generally strike a good balance), 1990 PROs or if you want really flat from top to bottom in a closed back: Ether CXs.Soooo....now I´m confused!
I was set on getting some HD600s for mixing, but if it misses low bass frequencies, what can I do?
Is there any headphones like the HD600, but with bass detail?
Instrugramm
All of the samples? Yes please!
The Magni Heresy is ace for analytical work, let me know what you think of the 880s, I had them for a week and really couldn't get a decent mix with them, they did sound pretty nice though.Read some more detailed stuff re. modding Monolith M1060 for almost no cost, BUT just not going to invest knowing these issues exist with seemingly capable audiophiles .....
Audio I/F budget is < $500. so Clarett 2pre USB either works with DT880 Pro, or will be forced to decicated HDfone Preamp /Amp. Likley Schiit Magni 3+, but this starts another frustrating search...
(edit) DT 880 Pro ordered. Moving forward toward Schiit ... :(
Ps. The 1060s are awesome but really built like sh**, also wouldn't use them for mixing tbh.
Tim_Wells
Tim Wells
FWIW, the Sennheiser HD-650s were Sonarworks highest rated headphone (when their correction software is turn on). The Beyerdynamics DT-880 Pro are a close second.
To me this is significant, since they spend so much time calibrating and testing headphones for mixing and mastering.
To me this is significant, since they spend so much time calibrating and testing headphones for mixing and mastering.
ryans
Senior Member
I've got the DT 880pro.. direct comparison with the HD600: 880pro has slightly better soundstage and imaging, also more clarity due to more treble than the HD600, although I personally find this headphone too bright.
I prefer the HD600 for mixing. It sounds more natural to me and mixes translate better...
Ryan
I prefer the HD600 for mixing. It sounds more natural to me and mixes translate better...
Ryan
JohnG
Senior Member
Whether or not people admit it, and whether or not it's ideal, a certain amount of tv music does in fact get mixed on headphones.
That said, I don't think it's a great way to go, at least not exclusively. Over time I'm more than ever convinced you need a sub to mix for cinematic music, if it's going to include the quasi-SFX that some of that music incorporates in the low end.
The HD-600s are used by lots of people, and their listed frequency response is 12-40500 Hz. I use AKGs but Sennheisers are excellent too.
That said, I don't think it's a great way to go, at least not exclusively. Over time I'm more than ever convinced you need a sub to mix for cinematic music, if it's going to include the quasi-SFX that some of that music incorporates in the low end.
The HD-600s are used by lots of people, and their listed frequency response is 12-40500 Hz. I use AKGs but Sennheisers are excellent too.
Tim_Wells
Tim Wells
Are the Drop Sennheiser HD6xx 100% equivalent to the Sennheiser HD650s? I ask because I would want to use them with Sonarworks and if there were small differences, it may throw the calibration off.This is what I have: The Drop.com Sennheiser HD6xx, which are HD650's just with a different color. Such a great value at $195 as opposed to $400. They're a great headphone, and one of the most neutral, as measured by Sonarworks.
Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 6XX | Top Rated Open-Back Headphones | Drop
Our all-time best selling open-back audiophile headphones, the Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 6XX is a replacement to the original HD 650 with a refreshed aesthetic & improved utility.drop.com
sostenuto
AKA _ doubtingtom37
Pretty consistent with where my searching took me. HD600 ended up ~$300. + tax, while Amazon Warehouse DT880 Pro at ~$165., otd. Still hoping Sonarworks can get in ballpark ....
(edit) cancelled as Amazon delivery jumped out to May 11. Disappointed, but plenty of time with current older Senn(s).
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sostenuto
AKA _ doubtingtom37
Not sure, but seems like post somewhere mentioned cable difference from Drop to full HD650 .... HD650 being better cable. May want to check ?
ryans
Senior Member
I've tested/owned hundreds (maybe.. thousands? (I have a problem..) of headphones over the years...
While many have fantastic sub bass, not ONE has come close to the sensation of large drivers pushing air out of a good sounding sub...
Maybe with enough familiarity, and reference .. one could do without a sub, but I'm not gonna give up mine anytime soon.
Instrugramm
All of the samples? Yes please!
Yup, the HD 6XX were my first headphones and every mix I ever did with them turned out with way too much treble and a flat bottom end (with Sonarworks). When i got the HD 600s I basically decided not to trust the Sonarworks blog anymore and realized the Sonarworks software barely corrects them at all.
I'm honestly convinced, that every human being on this planet can tell, that the 650s have worse imaging, too much mid bass, slightly muddier mids and missing details in the treble compared to 600s. That being said, I use the 650s for monitoring piano (great because they're mellow musical and forgiving headphones) and I NEVER use the 600s for music listening, as the analytical Nature only elevates female voices, the rest sounds harsh and brittle to my ear. The 58Xs with felt mod have a much more enjoyable sound and even give strings (especially celli) the perfect timbre.
There's no perfect pair of headphones, only different flavours, Stax might be the only allrounders...
Instrugramm
All of the samples? Yes please!
Different cable, the rest is the same, a friend of mine lent me his old pair of 650s to test before I got my pair. Well and they're made in Romania now but that doesn't affect the sound.^^
Ps. In case you'd want to order from drop.com, buy via this link: https://drop.com/?referer=AL4SXL , it's a 10 dollar exchange program, you get 10 dollars off when you sign up because a friend recommended them and I get 10 dollars off on my next order as well (which will be the Ether CXs, my audiophile soul needs them...), so it's basically a win win situation.
I whole heartedly recommend getting the 58Xs via drop (and doing the felt mod) and going second hand for buying HD600s. These 2 headphones will get you covered for 90% of all needs at a great price.
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Instrugramm
All of the samples? Yes please!
Actually the 6XXs have a better cable than both the 650s and the "older" 600s (which had a really bad cable, most people swap them for 650 cables).
scoringdreams
Serious Hobbyist
I think the Audeze LCD-X is quite a contestable alternative 
- add Sonarworks for some magic!
Love the DT880, but the treble might not be suited for some.
Also, if you have patience, I would want to wait and see (or check with) Neumann to see if an NDH 20 open-back version is in the works? - or perhaps an HD800S clone if we consider how some technology was ported over from Sennheiser to Neumann (both the same parent company if I am not mistaken).
- add Sonarworks for some magic!Love the DT880, but the treble might not be suited for some.
Also, if you have patience, I would want to wait and see (or check with) Neumann to see if an NDH 20 open-back version is in the works? - or perhaps an HD800S clone if we consider how some technology was ported over from Sennheiser to Neumann (both the same parent company if I am not mistaken).
ryans
Senior Member
Yeah I can concur.. HD600 do tend to bring out vocals very well, I think due to a upper-mid peak around 4-6k... which could be a problem in some cases...
Can't really agree on the harshness.. harsh is the last word I would use to describe this headphone, I find the highs on the 600s incredibly smooth to my ear (can luckily still hear 19.5 kHz).. and not distorted, grainy in any way.
BUT I see/hear where you're coming from.. the upper mid peak is there, and this could be described as harsh...
Ryan
Instrugramm
All of the samples? Yes please!
Maybe harsh was the wrong word, but they're just not as smooth than my other headphones. If we still compare the Sennheisers, then the 58X is creamier (with comparable vocal clarity) and the 6XX is thick and warm, covering small nasty details.
Listening to Joep Beving on 600s will make you notice every creaking of the piano or his chair, so it's great for analytical work but also highly distracting when you actually want to enjoy the music.
