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Orchestral Tools: Junkie XL Brass—new update for solo horn and horn sections available

Real JXL said:
Here a Ravel inspired piece... Just got really into it!
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Hey Tom, first of all thank you for taking the time and pass on more examples of the library.

Possible to have the above example, and even the official trailer, with only the brass?

I understand that OT should be the ones dealing with this stuff, but trying to take advantage of your kindness here :)
 
DarkestShadow said:
Well, I'm a bit irritated. It seems like you are praising features/capabilities that have been promised but not demonstrated. I watched the walkthrough, the Sine videos, except number 6 ATM and listened to the teaser & trailer demos. My memory is bad but I'm pretty sure I haven't heard most of the features you mention.

I purely care about what I hear not at all what the developers say and usually don't read the descriptions with much attention. It's all about how it "sounds" like at the end and how effective these features actually are.
And there just hasn't been enough audible demonstration yet. And I'm just irritated that this long announced demo piece shows so little variety.
The way I read it the way that this upcoming demo by Tom is supposed to show a lot of nuances of this library, the quieter realm and the more aggressive and loud sound. The range of the library.
I only heard awesome sounding golden era adventure music, 98% ff - fff & staccato marcato.
All great sounding, but... just a particular style.
Unknown how it will perform mellow chordal brass writing, the quieter realm overall or loud 'heroic' and soft 'lyrical' legato lines etc..

I just read that there are 5 legato dynamic layers and 2 different types of it. That's spectacular, but dammit... better be quick to show off the awesome sauce in detail instead of making everyone decide whether their want the library at a big discount and Tom's unique course within 2 days or whenever such demonstrations are posted, if at all.
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Well, I definitely didn't mean to irritate you, sorry for that! No problem if we disagree.

I do think a lot of things I mentioned before are actually demonstrated in the walkthrough video and some other content:

(a) All of the excerpts were "naked" demos of only the library, which is something people are asking for - it's right there!
(b) One of the excerpts early in the walkthrough did demonstrate the same MIDI being copy-pasted from solo to a12 horns, and how consistent it sounds.
(c) Almost every example was filled with constant switching between articulations. We can't tell from these examples how much effort and tweaking it takes, but all of the examples taken together is a strong clue that the articulations are consistent enough so that switching can be used for sculpting phrasing in addition to MIDI CC within each articulation.
(d) You were asking for the trailer to demonstrate dynamics - the walkthrough video does show a lot of dynamics. Almost every example in the walkthrough shows the range of dynamics from at least mp/mf up to fff. They demonstrated these dynamics for many of the articulations on many of the instruments. Not sure if there were pp examples there, it would have been nice to see a visualization of MIDI CC and note velocities in the video, but still the dynamic range is undeniably audible.
(e) Special shout out to the very first excerpt at 0:00, which I think demonstrated sforzando articulation at various velocities. It is possible to create bouncy sforzando attacks at quiet volume levels, which is a great way to add character to a performance. But some of the libraries I used in the past don't really sample multiple velocity layers of sfz.
(f) Another special shout out to stacatissimos, demonstrated everywhere to be quite agile - demonstrated as double/triple tonguing, and also demonstrated as the bouncy articulation between beats. and best of all, it was demonstrated for horns and cimbassi and tuba too, where I think many other libraries tend to skip sampling it except for trumpets, and that's always so disappointing.

As for legato, I don't know. There have been many hidden examples of it - in the original teaser video a few weeks ago, the last notes of the trumpets jumping one octave. The close1 horns excerpt showed a nice schmoozy 6th interval in the walkthrough video. And the Alan Meyerson mix excerpts around the 9-10 minute mark used sustains and legatos, in particular one quick trumpet mordent thing that sounded like the playable runs faster legato. Hendrik earlier posted a horn solo, too (link here to hear it) and it sounded promising to me (you have to ignore the places where Hendrik likely lifted his finger to repeat a note, which happened several times). But yeah, it might be nice to hear just a few more very exposed and focused examples of legato.

Cheers!
 
I like the new demo

I love the sound of the horns in these. I think they are the nicest sounding horns ive heard VST wise. They have sounded great in all the demos.

The low brass is brutal as well which is good!

Still not completely taken by the trumpets.
 
shawnsingh said:
Well, I definitely didn't mean to irritate you, sorry for that! No problem if we disagree.

I do think a lot of things I mentioned before are actually demonstrated in the walkthrough video and some other content:

(a) All of the excerpts were "naked" demos of only the library, which is something people are asking for - it's right there!
(b) One of the excerpts early in the walkthrough did demonstrate the same MIDI being copy-pasted from solo to a12 horns, and how consistent it sounds.
(c) Almost every example was filled with constant switching between articulations. We can't tell from these examples how much effort and tweaking it takes, but all of the examples taken together is a strong clue that the articulations are consistent enough so that switching can be used for sculpting phrasing in addition to MIDI CC within each articulation.
(d) You were asking for the trailer to demonstrate dynamics - the walkthrough video does show a lot of dynamics. Almost every example in the walkthrough shows the range of dynamics from at least mp/mf up to fff. They demonstrated these dynamics for many of the articulations on many of the instruments. Not sure if there were pp examples there, it would have been nice to see a visualization of MIDI CC and note velocities in the video, but still the dynamic range is undeniably audible.
(e) Special shout out to the very first excerpt at 0:00, which I think demonstrated sforzando articulation at various velocities. It is possible to create bouncy sforzando attacks at quiet volume levels, which is a great way to add character to a performance. But some of the libraries I used in the past don't really sample multiple velocity layers of sfz.
(f) Another special shout out to stacatissimos, demonstrated everywhere to be quite agile - demonstrated as double/triple tonguing, and also demonstrated as the bouncy articulation between beats. and best of all, it was demonstrated for horns and cimbassi and tuba too, where I think many other libraries tend to skip sampling it except for trumpets, and that's always so disappointing.

As for legato, I don't know. There have been many hidden examples of it - in the original teaser video a few weeks ago, the last notes of the trumpets jumping one octave. The close1 horns excerpt showed a nice schmoozy 6th interval in the walkthrough video. And the Alan Meyerson mix excerpts around the 9-10 minute mark used sustains and legatos, in particular one quick trumpet mordent thing that sounded like the playable runs faster legato. Hendrik earlier posted a horn solo, too (link here to hear it) and it sounded promising to me (you have to ignore the places where Hendrik likely lifted his finger to repeat a note, which happened several times). But yeah, it might be nice to hear just a few more very exposed and focused examples of legato.

Cheers!
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Thanks for the clarification... yea, either I have not been that impressed by most of these features, maybe to quick for me to build an opinion (you can easily pick awesome sounding notes in the pursuit of demonstrating the library at it's best) or I didn't pay enough attention. Gotta rewatch the examples... And check the almost 2 minute solo horn demo by Hendrik. That's a sufficiently LONG time. :P

I definitely heard the consistency between articulations though. That's something I actually hear in a lot of Orchestral Tools libraries. I have been skipping back in past walkthroughs to see if what was just played was a phrase or switching between multi samples. Was impressive to see that multi samples were used.

I just find that considering the pressure of deciding whether to buy it or not, miss it at a lower price and miss Tom's course there aren't enough examples at all at the moment. If more comes up now its still just 3/2 days.
 
Virtuoso said:
I like the interface, but have you considered having it designed by a games company?

Sure it's convenient to have everything you need laid out neatly in front of you, but nothing beats the excitement of wondering what articulations or mics might be tucked away on page 4, as you go hunting and pecking around the sparse modern user interface.

And nothing makes a statement quite like a massive knob that takes up most of the screen space while doing only one thing. That's true focus!
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Post of the year
 
Does anyone remember when OT released a detailed walkthrough playing through actual patches for Ark 4?
Was it already available 3 days prior to the release date? Or was the video release more closer to the release date? Like a day before it?
 
DarkestShadow said:
Thanks for the clarification... yea, either I have not been that impressed by most of these features, maybe to quick for me to build an opinion (you can easily pick awesome sounding notes in the pursuit of demonstrating the library at it's best) or I didn't pay enough attention. Gotta rewatch the examples... And check the almost 2 minute solo horn demo by Hendrik. That's a sufficiently LONG time. :P

I definitely heard the consistency between articulations though. That's something I actually hear in a lot of Orchestral Tools libraries. I have been skipping back in past walkthroughs to see if what was just played was a phrase or switching between multi samples. Was impressive to see that multi samples were used.

I just find that considering the pressure of deciding whether to buy it or not, miss it at a lower price and miss Tom's course there aren't enough examples at all at the moment. If more comes up now its still just 3/2 days.
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This is typical Orchestral tools style I think...
 
axb312 said:
This is typical Orchestral tools style I think...
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I think it's a deadlines issue.

OT have always had decent walkthroughs - I think certain projects end up way more close to deadlines.

Or maybe been working a lot better for them Building hype and then relieving us last minute lol
 
Real JXL said:
Here a Ravel inspired piece... Just got really into it!
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OMG, what was that?!! :rofl: (laughing at the boundaries of my imagination of what could ever be achieved using sample libraries)
I have never been that excited about a release before! Looking forward to 16th, but unfortunately I will be away on vacation until 24th and can only get my hands on the library on 25th :sad:
 
There's some really impressive layering going on in the Ravel demo! Seems that the samples used go together extremely well. I wonder if I can get the same realistic blending to happen when I use sample libraries outside of Orchestral Tools' repertoir for the other sections of the orchestra. Mainly VSL for strings and woodwinds.
 
Tice said:
There's some really impressive layering going on in the Ravel demo! Seems that the samples used go together extremely well. I wonder if I can get the same realistic blending to happen when I use sample libraries outside of Orchestral Tools' repertoir for the other sections of the orchestra. Mainly VSL for strings and woodwinds.
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doubtful, unless you're using synchron strings.

anything from Sony mgm/crackdown can have a similiar ambience length but you need to EQ them differently for(mostly brass).

shameless plug, I'm selling all the mir packs together, which includes teldex ;)
 
ProfoundSilence said:
out of curiosity what were you missing in the walkthrough? Sections?
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now I know something about new cool player with great futures,
but about new brass I know much less:
1 lovely bombastic FF demo,
1 semiofficial demo (ravel, but this demo is not my cup of tee),
and some (mostly) random sounds

I don't hear:
legato (longer like 2 seconds) for all sections
solo melody line for soloist and sections
and demos with only brass please - without other libs,
I want to see and hear naked NAKED truth :emoji_kiss: (demos).
 
there is most of that in the single walkthrough, the teasers, and the trailer.

only thing really missing is showing off all of the legato transitions

but we've seen solo horn, tuba, trombone. trumpet, all naked.

we've seen fortississimo brass, we have seen pianissimo brass as well. I cant help but feel you haven't actually watched all of the footage available, and I dont have the urge to manually link you time stamps either. Ironically most if what you asked for was showcased in the mic walkthrough.
 
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