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Just downloaded an update from MuseHub of Berlin Woodwinds and Muse percussion, showed up today.
 
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Perhaps open the offending .qml file and adjust the velocities? (Note there are 2 places with the following code.)
JavaScript:
    var dynMS=[
       {v:1  ,l:0   ,t:'<sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym>'}
      ,{v:5  ,l:3   ,t:'<sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym>'}
      ,{v:10  ,l:7   ,t:'<sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym>'}
      ,{v:16  ,l:13   ,t:'<sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym>'}
      ,{v:32  ,l:24  ,t:'<sym>dynamicPiano</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym>'}
      ,{v:48  ,l:40  ,t:'<sym>dynamicPiano</sym>'}
      ,{v:64  ,l:56  ,t:'<sym>dynamicMezzo</sym><sym>dynamicPiano</sym>'}
      ,{v:80  ,l:72  ,t:'<sym>dynamicMezzo</sym><sym>dynamicForte</sym>'}
      ,{v:96  ,l:88  ,t:'<sym>dynamicForte</sym>'}
      ,{v:112 ,l:104 ,t:'<sym>dynamicForte</sym><sym>dynamicForte</sym>'}
      ,{v:126 ,l:119 ,t:'<sym>dynamicForte</sym><sym>dynamicForte</sym><sym>dynamicForte</sym>'}
      ,{v:127 ,l:127 ,t:'<sym>dynamicForte</sym><sym>dynamicForte</sym><sym>dynamicForte</sym><sym>dynamicForte</sym>'}
    ]

Tinkering under the hood is what I love about open-source. ;)
Where can I find this??
 
Where can I find this??
/Users/eric/Documents/MuseScore4/Plugins/musescore_dynamicsactions/ for me. YMMV, but you can see your plugin path in MuseScore's Preferences > Folders. Look for the Plugin entry. :)
 
I am late to the part, but I just discovered the extended techniques for the Muse Woodwinds. I also just discovered that all libraries have user manuals on Muse Hub. Super helpful also for Staffpad!

Now to the question: I cannot successfully trigger all the articulations mentioned in the manual. I cannot trigger the multiphonics for clarinet or flute 1 by using the harmonics symbol. They do work on Staffpad (and incidentally Muse listing the articulations have opened up Staffpad. I can have clarinet singing in Stafffpad now.) Have you guys managed to get that to play in Muse?
Also, I cannot trigger the Trombones a3 cluster articulation, neither in Muse or in StaffPad. Have you had any luck with that?

EDIT: Nope, user error with respect to the cluster trombones. I didn't enter sufficiently long notes for me to hear the effect.
 
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I was taking a look at some of the closed GitHub issues for the next MuseScore 4.4 release which will be coming out soon. They have independent voice dynamics completed - here is a sneak peek of the GUI for that...

MuseScore devs are rockin' it!

Also, I saw they fixed a bug where changing the velocity (through the Properties panel) of individual notes had no effect on playback. So, that should give us a bit more control over how things sound.

Really looking forward to when they'll have a graphical dynamics/velocity editor similar to what Dorico has.
 
Those are very nice developments - really looking forward to it.
They keep improving the software.
Having control over note velocities will be great for those cases where the gap between one dynamic and the next is too great or abrupt!
 
A nice comparison of the differences. With the type of music selected Noteperformer came out on top


I'll add a few more examples. The score is a bit different (I'm working on a critical edition published before 1968, while the example in the video is the post-Romantic version published by Ricordi in 1920, with three trombones and more color contrasts), but it should give the idea.

Rossini, Il barbiere di Siviglia, Sinfonia (end) – NP

Rossini, Il barbiere di Siviglia, Sinfonia (end) – NPPE with Synchron Duality Strings

Rossini, Il barbiere di Siviglia, Sinfonia (end) – NPPE with Synchron Strings Pro

Rossini, Il barbiere di Siviglia, Sinfonia (end) – NPPE with Synchron Prime

Paolo
 
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I'll add a few more examples. The score is a bit different (I'm working on a critical edition published before 1968, while the example in the video is the post-Romantic version published by Ricordi in 1920, with three trombones and more color contrasts), but it should give the idea.

Rossini, Il barbiere di Siviglia, Sinfonia (end) – NPPE with Synchron Strings Pro

Rossini, Il barbiere di Siviglia, Sinfonia (end) – NPPE with Synchron Duality Strings

Rossini, Il barbiere di Siviglia, Sinfonia (end) – NPPE with Synchron Prime

Paolo
The tempo is noticeably faster than in the video and these are very clean articulations. Would it be too much trouble to ask for a “standard” (non-NPPE) NotePerformer playback at that same faster tempo for comparison?
 
The tempo is noticeably faster than in the video and these are very clean articulations. Would it be too much trouble to ask for a “standard” (non-NPPE) NotePerformer playback at that same faster tempo for comparison?
Sure. I added it as the first example of the message where I linked the Synchron examples.

Paolo
 
Sure. I added it as the first example of the message where I linked the Synchron examples.

Paolo
Thanks. They are all impressive, especially at that tempo. I still like NP the most overall. Maybe not quite as clean with the articulations in some ways, but sounds more natural with less of an “organ-like” effect around 0:40 especially. Overall the NP playback also feels like it breaths more, or has more depth or natural dynamics and musicality in general.
 
Hi wondering if anyone can help me figure out some tech & UI oddities in MS (coming from Dorico):

1. Numpad doesn't work at all? I use this 99% of the time for note input, not the top row of numbers. Apparently this is a known issue in MS4 going back to posts I see dated in 2022, seems kinda crazy if that hasn't been fixed?

2. Do you have to enter every rest manually? No "grid" or anything to move the input cursor left/right by note value while entering?!

3. Is there a swap staff function? To quickly swap the music on two staves (not instruments). I saw 'swap clipboard' but that's not quite it.

4. Is there a way of moving music up and down staves, as well as duplicating (not copy/paste).

5. Is there no way of moving notes left or right in time? I googled around for this but I can't find anything, just seems like a pretty bog-standard editorial task in any and all music programs...

Many other differences I'm getting the hang of but I would think these are pretty basic & common things so they must be possible?
 
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I’ll do the best I can, hopefully a more experienced user will chime in as well.

Hi wondering if anyone can help me figure out some tech & UI oddities in MS (coming from Dorico):

1. Numpad doesn't work at all? I use this 99% of the time for note input, not the top row of numbers. Apparently this is a known issue in MS4 going back to posts I see dated in 2022, seems kinda crazy if that hasn't been fixed? I use a MacBook so sorry can’t answer this one.
2. Do you have to enter every rest manually? No "grid" or anything to move the input cursor left/right by note value while entering?! One tip is to use the “r” key for any duplication of notes or rests (copy and paste also of course). Say I have a passage that is mostly 16th notes. I’ll just notate a single 16th rest and ride the “r” key and gives sort of a poor man’s grid. Then I’ll place whatever notes over the rests. Once everything is filled in, then the remaining 16th rests, I’ll click on with an eight rest or quarter rest or whatever the case may be, and that cleans up the orphan 16ths. Also the palettes are movable so If I’m entering a bunch of notes I’ll drag the note entry palette close to where I’m working.
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Just a non-sensical ex.
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3. Is there a swap staff function? To quickly swap the music on two staves (not instruments). I saw 'swap clipboard' but that's not quite it. Not the I’m aware of. That would be nice! Right now, I cut and paste, or copy and paste. BTW, check out paste with half or double duration (nice one).

4. Finally, is there a way of moving music up and down staves, as well as duplicating (not copy/paste)? I googled around for this but I can't find anything, just seems like a pretty bog-standard editorial task…Not the I’m aware of. Would be nice.

Many other differences I'm getting the hang of but I would think these are pretty basic & common things so they must be possible? I’ve never been in Dorico, sorry.
 
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I’ll do the best I can, hopefully a more experienced user will chime in as well.


MuseScore devs are rockin' it!
Just a non-sensical ex.
MuseScore devs are rockin' it!
Thank you! What I meant by common things are just edit stuff that you could find in any piano roll in a DAW for example... moving notes left and right, up and down, extending them shorter or longer durations, seems to be a kind of universal music software and midi sequencer paradigm is what I meant, so I'm just feeling a bit lost.

Everything else that is different is not that hard to adapt though with the side panels and toolbars. For example finding articulations and dynamics, while different, are pretty easy to understand since it's well organized, fortunately.
 
Thank you! What I meant by common things are just edit stuff that you could find in any piano roll in a DAW for example... moving notes left and right, up and down, extending them shorter or longer durations, seems to be a kind of universal music software paradigm is what I meant, so I'm just feeling a bit lost.

Everything else that is different is not that hard to adapt though with the side panels and toolbars. Just wanna edit my notes! :)
Ah! Yes I wish I could just drag a note over! You can drag a note or several up and down easy enough just selecting them while holding down shift. Also move them an octave with command and arrow up or down.
 
Ah! Yes I wish I could just drag a note over! You can drag a note or several up and down easy enough just selecting them while holding down shift. Also move them an octave with command and arrow up or down.
Yeah, I had a gong scrape (thanks to Berlin, I'm going crazy as you probably would've guessed!). I had it on the downbeat but felt it would sound better before, so I just wanted to move it the left by an 8th note... ended up having to re-enter note input and add several rests and cut and paste etc. It was an ordeal 😅 Scrape sounds good though, lol.
 
What I meant by common things are just edit stuff that you could find in any piano roll in a DAW for example... moving notes left and right, up and down, extending them shorter or longer durations, seems to be a kind of universal music software and midi sequencer paradigm is what I meant, so I'm just feeling a bit lost.
These are common DAW/sequencer paradigms but outside of Dorico are actually generally a bit foreign to notation programs, if I can make a broader observation here about notation programs in general. Some programs have support for moving quarter notes or whatever over by one beat, but moving something to the left or right by an eighth or some other fraction of a beat is something that is generally a lot of work in notation programs and can't be assigned a simple hotkey. Same with extending notes. Users have developed expectations of how notation programs "should" behave based on how Finale and Sibelius behave as examples, and this is a completely different behaviour set than a DAW.

A lot of notation programs directly try to simulate the act of writing on paper, and so they encourage people to write the same way they would with manuscript, by first adding the rests into the bar and then the note. This isn't specific to MuseScore by any means, but that was their logic behind the system I believe.

In my case I would write a lot of contemporary classical concert music, in many pieces trying to avoid the sense of meter and just create this free, floating feeling, ametric but with a meter there to tie everything together. Sometimes I decided something needed more breathing space, like a second more time, and it was always a huge pain to do this with Sibelius, because I'd have to do tons of copy and paste and mess other things up in the process.
 
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These are common DAW/sequencer paradigms but outside of Dorico are actually generally a bit foreign to notation programs, if I can make a broader observation here about notation programs in general. Some programs have support for moving quarter notes or whatever over by one beat, but moving something to the left or right by an eighth or some other fraction of a beat is something that is generally a lot of work in notation programs and can't be assigned a simple hotkey. Same with extending notes. Users have developed expectations of how notation programs "should" behave based on how Finale and Sibelius behave as examples, and this is a completely different behaviour set than a DAW.

A lot of notation programs directly try to simulate the act of writing on paper, and so they encourage people to write the same way they would with manuscript, by first adding the rests into the bar and then the note. This isn't specific to MuseScore by any means, but that was their logic behind the system I believe.

In my case I would write a lot of contemporary classical concert music, in many pieces trying to avoid the sense of meter and just create this free, floating feeling, ametric but with a meter there to tie everything together. Sometimes I decided something needed more breathing space, like a second more time, and it was always a huge pain to do this with Sibelius, because I'd have to do tons of copy and paste and mess other things up in the process.
Thanks for your insights, I was not aware, having spent a better part of my musical life inside of DAWs before I came over to the world of notation (having dabbled in Sibelius and MuseScore before finding home in Dorico). After a few years I guess I'd been spoiled by some of Dorico's editorial features which are, in that sense, a lot more like a DAW / piano roll / midi sequencer than I actually realized!

I suppose on the plus side I'll probably get better at writing in rests and considering every note value with more care and patience (whereas my style in Dorico is fast and furious, for better or worse!). Who knows, maybe writing in another program will give me some new perspectives.
 
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