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Blackster

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Well, not all of our subscribed members take lessons as this is optional. You can learn a lot of MITA concepts and their application only by becoming a member and not taking lessons at all.

However, one always has to consider the value of what you will be getting and therefore, we are offering many free materials. Also, the risk is rather low as you can go lesson after lesson and quit at any time if it's not for you.

The goal of any truthful and honest business is to provide as much value as possible to the client and not to sell at any cost. If I knew what your musical plans are I can tell very clearly wether MITA can help you to get there or not.

But for those who want focus more on prices than value, there's a great quote that comes to my mind: education costs money and so does ignorance :) ...

But don't worry, we'll continue to deliver value for free in forms of free materials on the website and live streams as this is the only way to communicate what you're standing for and why it's unique :)
 

FriFlo

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But for those who want focus more on prices than value, there's a great quote that comes to my mind: education costs money and so does ignorance :) ...
That is of course true, but it is a bit general ...
In Europe, you genreally get high class education for free, as this is mostly the philosophy of most people here that this should be the case. For certain fields that high class education is not open to anyone, it requires certain prerequisites like school grades or rather passing a test for most of musical studies. Therefore, other institutions, that cost money, partly fully funded by tuition, partly subsidized partially by the state, are a secondary option for those who could not study at a university or want to expand on certain topics.
In the US, this seems to be completely different. Only the most talented people get the chance of free education at this level through scholarship.
So, what price seems reasonable for which education seems dependent quite a bit on where on the world you live and what your basic education in the field of music was.
In my case, I already studied music and on top of that film scoring. Taking another class to broaden my horizon or choosing not to pursue that hardly will result in ignorance. For someone who did not study music before or maybe only learned raw basics this might be completely different of course ...
 

FriFlo

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And to be clear on that: I do not write that to mock EIS, nor to mock MITA ... It is just a general observation from my background. I offer music lessons, mostly piano. But sometimes I also get asked to prepare people for university tests in music (ear training and theory). Sometimes, people want to take private lesson in composition (for film) as well. Here in Europe, I always recommend them to apply for their desired field at a university, if they are able to. It is not to say, that private tuition is always worse, but the money you have to put into a private education (including instrumental lessons etc ...) is quite steep and I wouldn't want anyone to be left with a huge pile of debt, that is very hard to pay back, especially in the field of music!
Basically, all the conversation and argument here is so much dependent on the individual prerequisites, that it does not make much sense to discuss it without taking these into account.
 

rmak

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Are there any individuals working full time (a job unrelated to music composing) that have completed EIS, can you share what it cost you to complete the program or annual time and money invested? Or maybe the amount invested per book, that would be nice to know also. I know there are 227 lessons (12 books), and it is intended to be completed in 4 years with 1 private lesson per week? You can message me if you don't want to post here? I know maybe it's different per person. I saw $110? Is that per private lesson?

I work full time, 32 hours a week, and am wondering if this is viable for someone with my capacity. I grew up taking piano lessons, so I have fundamental music theory knowledge. I am currently trying out MITA, but I am also curious about EIS also. I am trying to get an idea of what the financial and time commitment is. Thanks
 
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Craig Sharmat

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Hi rmak

So as to get a proper view of students who have other professions I can see if any would like to share their experience. That might be a useful perspective for you.

Most students don’t finish, pro or otherwise, the goal is to acquire information. If one chooses to finish that’s great but getting better and learning more techniques and ideas should be the focus. As far as cost per lesson you are in the ballpark. Lessons are one on one.
 
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just2high

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Are there any individuals working full time (a job unrelated to music composing) that have completed EIS, can you share what it cost you to complete the program or annual time and money invested? Or maybe the amount invested per book, that would be nice to know also. I know there are 227 lessons (12 books), and it is intended to be completed in 4 years with 1 private lesson per week? You can message me if you don't want to post here? I know maybe it's different per person. I saw $110? Is that per private lesson?

I work full time, 32 hours a week, and am wondering if this is viable for someone with my capacity. I grew up taking piano lessons, so I have fundamental music theory knowledge. I am currently trying out MITA, but I am also curious about EIS also. I am trying to get an idea of what the financial and time commitment is. Thanks
Hi rmak, sorry late to the party here. While I work in a music related field I started taking lessons when I was working a main job to pay the bills that was 40+ hours a week. It took me 7 or 8 years to complete due to schedule so there were stretches I couldn't take lessons for a few months. I would argue that working freelance can actually make the course take longer because your schedule can be more unpredictable.

In my opinion the only hurdle to completing the course is personal dedication in terms of setting aside the time to complete assignments, practice, and showing up for lessons. The questions of whether or not you can fit in weekly lessons will have to be up to you, if you feel like you can dedicate the 1 hour time for the lesson, plus 2 to 4 hours /week working on the assignment. Money wise it came out to be between 2000 to 4000 / year but as a music professional it was definitely worth it to me. As a composer I found that the knowledge of EIS gave me so much more freedom and command of my craft and also more confident.

I found the information and experience to be invaluable to my professional development, not just in the music theory / application aspect, but in having regular critique of my work, a regular deadline, and regular practice. I learned how to write really fast and I attribute that to having completed EIS. As with all education though what you get out of it is directly related to what you put into it. Whether or not to undertake the journey will be a question of what your goals are as a composer and also a matter of fit as not all teaching styles fit all people so I would also say that if you decide to embark on it there's no reason you can't decide you don't want to continue at some point. When thinking about the fee for the lesson I think we often forget about the human on the other end. We are asking for someone to dedicate their time and knowledge for our benefit, in my case it was also the professional experience and mentorship, so at the end of the day the lessons were worth every penny and then some.
 
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