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Jaycen Joshua's The God Particle plug-in

Alex Niedt said:
Mix into it from the start
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To chime in on this, pretty much every single thing you put to your mix bus and mix into, makes the final mix sounding worse when disabling it. Just put a simple EQ to your bus with a nice fletcher-munson on it and disable it when the mix is ready. Suddenly, your mix sounds boxy and dull without it. Does that mean that the simple EQ now magically become a godly new "betterizer" plugin?

Be it anything- a bus compressor, tape saturation or a simple EQ (or even more obvious, a stereo spreader), taking it suddenly away from the full mix makes it sound weird and bad while re-enabling gives you the impression that the plugin does wonders to the sound. It does, because you mixed into it and it was an integral part of the sound from the beginning. A well-thought "betterizer" is measured by how it betters your (almost) full mix.
 
Henu said:
A well-thought "betterizer" is measured by how it betters your (almost) full mix.
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It literally wasn't designed as an end-of-mix "betterizer", and in this case that's like saying a buss compressor is measured by how good it sounds when added to a finished mix (total nonsense). There's a reason people mix into compression for vibe rather than throw it on at the end: it's likely to fundamentally alter your mix. Tossing The God Particle on at the last stage is like randomly throwing on multiband compression, imaging, saturation, limiting, etc. all at once with settings that aren't meant for final "betterizing".

To address another point, one can easily make a mix more difficult and time-consuming by mixing into poorly chosen processing, or even well-chosen processing with poor levels. And I know plenty of mixers who receive sessions wherein they immediately remove the mix buss processing because - surprise - it sounds better without it. I've done it many times, and it's very often stuff the producer/rough mixer started with.
 
PeterN said:
After demoing it today, it certainly became a louder track. When I put it on YouTube it snipped off some of the loudness. I can't hear any major difference with the God plugin, at least, when on Youtube. First vid is just Ozone 9, second vid is God plugin (then output -2db and in Ozone 9 maximiser). I didn't tweak the plugin except put the God knob in the middle to around 100% (yes, and output to -2db).
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The God Particle defaults to a 5dB boost at the limiter stage. If you didn't adjust this and put both plug-ins on with no adjustments (aside from the output), they're going to be 5dB off. And sorry, I'm confused...in Ozone, did you try to match the multi-band action, imaging, saturation, etc. to The God Particle? Or is it literally just the Ozone Maximizer vs. The God Particle essentially at default settings? Did you adjust input to The God Particle to hit the targets and then feed Ozone the same level? I ask all of this because these plug-ins can't properly be compared without a bit of work.
 
Alex Niedt said:
The God Particle defaults to a 5dB boost at the limiter stage. If you didn't adjust this and put both plug-ins on with no adjustments (aside from the output), they're going to be 5dB off. And sorry, I'm confused...in Ozone, did you try to match the multi-band action, imaging, saturation, etc. to The God Particle? Or is it literally just the Ozone Maximizer vs. The God Particle essentially at default settings? Did you adjust input to The God Particle to hit the targets and then feed Ozone the same level? I ask all of this because these plug-ins can't properly be compared without a bit of work.
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Downloaded demo and watched two reviews online. They had it on master track. But, I haven't got any deep knowledge of it. I used it 30 min after the download. Summary below.

Song 1. Basic EQ on all tracks, reverb and occasionally efx. M/S processing on master track, a small pinch Waves Mix centric (the only plugin I use from the crooks) , Soothe2 for slight balancing, then into Ozone 9 with mastering assistant on default mode.

Song 2. Basic EQ on all tracks, reverb and occasionally efx. God particle on master track. God knob (the knob in middle to 100%) and the output knob to -2db. Then in Ozone 9 Maximiser. The reason I cut the output was bcs I wanted to use Ozone for limiting.

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This was how I cooked it up. How would you use it?
 
PeterN said:
Downloaded demo and watched two reviews online. They had it on master track. But, I haven't got any deep knowledge of it. I used it 30 min after the download. Summary below.

Song 1. Basic EQ on all tracks, reverb and occasionally efx. M/S processing on master track, a small pinch Waves Mix centric (the only plugin I use from the crooks) , Soothe2 for slight balancing, then into Ozone 9 with mastering assistant on default mode.

Song 2. Basic EQ on all tracks, reverb and occasionally efx. God particle on master track. God knob (the knob in middle to 100%) and the output knob to -2db. Then in Ozone 9 Maximiser. The reason I cut the output was bcs I wanted to use Ozone for limiting.

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This was how I cooked it up. How would you use it?
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So you kept a 5dB boost at the limiter stage in TGP, then sent that to Ozone for more limiting. Depending on your input level to TGP, you may have heavy multiband compression going on, then limiting, then more limiting, which is likely why that one sounds flatter. If you're using Ozone with mastering assistant, that is a different use case than what TGP was designed for. And if you're just wanting an "auto-mastering" type of thing at the very end of a mix, Ozone is the more fool-proof option.

As for how I'd use TGP, it's designed to be used as follows... Insert it when you begin your mix. As you mix, keep an eye on your gain staging and how you're hitting the meters in TGP. The input meters should regularly light the green box on the left. That's the input target. There are three more green target boxes on the gain reduction section for low, mid, and high bands. The low and mid should light regularly on transients and louder elements, and the high should rarely light up. If it lights a lot, that's an indication you're mixing your high end too hot. To the right of this section is the limiter section, and you'll see limiter gain reduction there. If it's doing too much gain reduction or you're going to use a different limiter, turn the knob at the bottom counterclockwise to decrease its level or just turn it off with the power button at the top of that section. As you get your levels in the proper ballpark for the plug-in, you can experiment with how small input adjustments affect your mix, as you'll have a range of level where you'll still hit your targets, so that means there's room to play with how hard you're hitting the multiband compression and limiting, for instance. A little 0.5dB input adjustment may be all it takes to really find a sweet spot.

Even though it's a simple plug-in on the surface, you still really need to understand how it works to use it to its full potential (or to just not mess up your mix).
 
Alex Niedt said:
Even though it's a simple plug-in on the surface, you still really need to understand how it works to use it to its full potential (or to just not mess up your mix).
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Much like Gulfoss. Most people are all :shocked: when you tell them to adjust the Bias and Brightness settings to keep the small meters on the left and bottom in the middle to achieve what it’s trying to do.
 
Alex Niedt said:
So you kept a 5dB boost at the limiter stage in TGP, then sent that to Ozone for more limiting. Depending on your input level to TGP, you may have heavy multiband compression going on, then limiting, then more limiting, which is likely why that one sounds flatter. If you're using Ozone with mastering assistant, that is a different use case than what TGP was designed for. And if you're just wanting an "auto-mastering" type of thing at the very end of a mix, Ozone is the more fool-proof option.

As for how I'd use TGP, it's designed to be used as follows... Insert it when you begin your mix. As you mix, keep an eye on your gain staging and how you're hitting the meters in TGP. The input meters should regularly light the green box on the left. That's the input target. There are three more green target boxes on the gain reduction section for low, mid, and high bands. The low and mid should light regularly on transients and louder elements, and the high should rarely light up. If it lights a lot, that's an indication you're mixing your high end too hot. To the right of this section is the limiter section, and you'll see limiter gain reduction there. If it's doing too much gain reduction or you're going to use a different limiter, turn the knob at the bottom counterclockwise to decrease its level or just turn it off with the power button at the top of that section. As you get your levels in the proper ballpark for the plug-in, you can experiment with how small input adjustments affect your mix, as you'll have a range of level where you'll still hit your targets, so that means there's room to play with how hard you're hitting the multiband compression and limiting, for instance. A little 0.5dB input adjustment may be all it takes to really find a sweet spot.

Even though it's a simple plug-in on the surface, you still really need to understand how it works to use it to its full potential (or to just not mess up your mix).
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Yea, you are right with the limiting, it is sort of double limited. One of the vids recommended to do limiting with another plugin. I got it really loud on the initial wav file but Youtube cut it.

Need to experiment more, I guess I shouldn't have put this out yet, but it was a quick weekend decision, when having a day off and time to test stuff. Thanks for comment.
 
Trash Panda said:
Much like Gulfoss. Most people are all :shocked: when you tell them to adjust the Bias and Brightness settings to keep the small meters on the left and bottom in the middle to achieve what it’s trying to do.
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Yeah that threw me for a loop when I heard that in a YouTube video, but I guess it’s better to know than be ignorant to it. Coincidentally Gullfoss and The God Particle are all that’s on my master bus
 
The real god particle was overhyped and only contributes to 1% of all mass. Maybe the name is an ironic joke about overhyping plug-ins that contribute to 1% of the mix 😁
 
KEM said:
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With nearly a million subscribers, we do suspect the positive reviews could be business deals. But there's probably some truth in the reviews. Unless, he is preparing a lot of cash for future, with the motto where there's a will there's a way.

But it did sound ok didn't it

can we get it for 51-59 USD on Black Friday - we might buy it with a good deal
 
Garlu said:
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Very interesting, I love it when people reverse engineer stuff.

So I paused his video and transcribed the settings into reaper stock plugins: FX chain attached if anyone wants to give it a go. The aim I've found with experimenting is to get the vu meter just moving slightly at the -20, by adjusting the Volume Adjustment at the start of the chain. Then the saturation and multiband compressor and limiter are being hit just nicely. I've setup gain staging so that you can bulk enable/disable the EQ/Sat/MB leaving the volume and limiter, to A/B the effect. (select all those three and then press Ctrl-B to bulk enable/disable).
 

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PeterN said:
With nearly a million subscribers, we do suspect the positive reviews could be business deals. But there's probably some truth in the reviews. Unless, he is preparing a lot of cash for future, with the motto where there's a will there's a way.

But it did sound ok didn't it

can we get it for 51-59 USD on Black Friday - we might buy it with a good deal
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They had an intro price for like $80 or something like that so I’m sure the Black Friday price will be the same. I think the video, even if there is marketing blah blah blah nonsense, does prove that the product is great, just listen to when he level matches The God Particle to the original mixes and then flips back and forth between the two, I think most would agree that The God Particle version sounds objectively better, at least more polished and exciting
 
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