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Frederick Douglass on the 4th of July

Wow. And I suppose you want the gov of Germany - the current one, that is, to apologize for everything from invading Poland in 1939 to the holocaust? And the gov of Japan to apologize for PH. And the gov of Yugoslavia for it's ethnic cleansing a couple of decades ago. And the gov of China should apologize for the Uighur camps. And the gov of Saudi Arabia should apologize for not catching/stopping the terrorists for 9/11. And the gov of Norway should apologize for it's crusades and plundering centuries ago. And the list goes on and on. I mean, you want every gov to apologize for everything? Say yes, and I'll say you are cookoo.

ill say yes yes yes and to all of them yes. An apology is just an apology and acknowledging that wrongs were done. I suppose some people think that it means getting on hands and knees and begging for forgiveness, but it's really not that serious.

"We made mistakes in the past. it was not our finest hour and we hope to never repeat those mistakes. Let us all move on in good spirits and good faith."

applause, crack open a bottle, everyone drink, and be merry.
 
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Wow. And I suppose you want the gov of Germany - the current one, that is, to apologize for everything from invading Poland in 1939 to the holocaust?
They have. And they continue to do so. That's the only way they ensure it won't happen again. Today's German government has been very proactive about that. They've also paid reparations, to prove that the apology is real and tangible, not just words.

Those who can't apologize for past mistakes don't think they were mistakes.
 
said "burn it to the ground" but I'm on his autobiography.

Thanks for the exchange.

John
OH I haven't read his biography. Those are my words. Of what I have read, there seems to be this change of hate of America to this potential for America.
 
IMHO I’d be shocked if America passed reparations as there are so many I’m guessing who would be against it including very powerful forces (Corporate America). Also what complicates the matter is what if your origins in America didn’t even begin till after the Civil War, do you get exempted? All of a sudden it becomes a complete group guilt of all whites even if your ancestors were persecuted well before you existed. Where is my “we were slaves in Egypt” stimulus package or my “this is what happens when you kill my ancestors in the Holocaust” retirement pension money or “my family was raped and oppressed in a forced-labor camp (Russian Gulag)?” What group has not be enslaved, conquered, oppressed and marginalized throughout human history? None!! Like Native Americans who have sovereign nation protection to go with a handful of corrupt casino owners, do we do the same for BLM? Even if we did, just of handful of ruthless people would profit not the greater good. I’m all for BLM, but throughout history I don’t remember reading 📖 how the oppressed got a lifelong bonus package on most occasions and their homes were featured in Architectural Digest or Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. Human history is replete with vicious behavior.

True, but as a real negotiation starts, you shoot for the moon and land somewhere between here and there, but further than before.
You’re correct though, there’s always the snowball effect, so if we get it right in the USA, other nations watching like China or Iran are going to see their peoples discontent.

I have a fellow Jazz performing friend from Siberia of all places, only met him once. He despises Putin, etc. But life is okay and he gets to perform somewhere out there by Lake Baikal.

But spray painting Mao’s picture or burning a Chinese Flag is like death wish. He served in the Russian military right out of High School and told me stories about his training in winter, etc. Best story was how during border patrols the Chinese were always doing their worshipping of a giant 100 foot flag and the second one the same size was of Mao. Every morning they cheered as they hoisted their symbolic murals/flags. The Russian commander got sick of seeing and hearing them so instructed his entire battalion to drop their pants and show their asses to the Chines Flag and mural of Mao. This continued and on the 3rd day the Chinese soldiers stopped. Allowing Mao’s memory to be disrespected is a terrible thing.

At any rate, what has-ends in the USA is always viewed as being the end of America, it will never recover, etc. Bull Shit, our diversity is always our strength to improve and what made the USA great. You don’t see millions racing to live in Iran, China or Russia. Last time I checked 6 million folks have left Venezuela. Socialist utopia is a complete failure. Cuba, Russia and China are there to collect on their debts with Drug money and Oil being exchanged. ( check out Ari Durgarte, super hot model working from Guadalajara now)

But imagine as we clean up the ashes and straighten some old vendettas out, that billions of people around the world start tearing down Mao, Putin or the Supreme Spinach Chins in Iran.

No joke. I travelled around and when you hear Palestinian HipHop you realize how influential our uniquely odd US culture really is.

Im optimistic because I’ve seen this show before. You just need to seek out the upside.

Thanks to COVID-19 Cirque du Soleil is bankrupt. Sad, but what’s coming will be fresh and new.

Still waiting for Country Western to have some white shaming songs. Then I’ll know real progress was made.

The old Dixie Chicks coming back as the Karen’s or something.
 
They have. And they continue to do so. That's the only way they ensure it won't happen again. Today's German government has been very proactive about that. They've also paid reparations, to prove that the apology is real and tangible, not just words.

Those who can't apologize for past mistakes don't think they were mistakes.

And they do so annually, as you say should be the case? Where?
 
And they do so annually, as you say should be the case? Where?
So you went from "I don't believe current Germany apologizes for their atrocities in WWII" to "They don't do it annually!!!" Talk about moving goal posts.

The gist of your postings is that you don't believe nations should show real, tangible, and recurrent contrition to those they've hurt. I disagree, and moreover, we see the result of that neglect. Unrest won't end until real and tangible contrition is finally made.
 
I moved no goal posts. I asked a legit question, and you didn't answer. That's telling. Very telling.

The gist of your postings is that you don't believe nations should show real, tangible, and recurrent contrition to those they've hurt

Nothing wrong with apologizing, but do I beleive nations should do that anually... as in every single year over and over again until the end of time? No, because I am of sound, mind and body.
 
I moved no goal posts. I asked a legit question, and you didn't answer. That's telling. Very telling.

The gist of your postings is that you don't believe nations should show real, tangible, and recurrent contrition to those they've hurt

Nothing wrong with apologizing, but do I beleive nations should do that anually... as in every single year over and over again until the end of time? No, because I am of sound, mind and body.

ok, everyone, that's enough. Let's discuss this at the properly designated time...

February... ;)
 
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