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dzilizzi

Senior Member
My first deleted post. :3 I am so happy!
My first deleted post came with an apology - "Sorry, your post was fine but I'm deleting all the posts on this subject" sort of thing. :)

I have to say, if this was my forum, I would probably delete more than Mike does. Fortunately, it is not and I am not a moderator. And? I think for the most part, we moderate each other fairly well.
 

Shad0wLandsUK

Contemplating Composing...
bible interpretations
Bible intepretations on a music forum?

I tend to go to my Pastor about that, or perhaps another member of my congregation or even a book... like the Bible!

But I have to just say I would never come to a Music Forum to talk about my Faith (and I am one of the more devoted Protestants as anyone who met me would tell you)
I don't say that to present brownie points, just to state it is the central-point of my life

What a bizarre place the internet is :unsure:

Perhaps next tiime I will ask spitfire support about their thoughts on the resurrection :roflmao:
 

Mike Greene

Senior Member
Moderator
If he’s deleting your posts, chances are the fault is with you and not with his moderating style.
In this case, I wouldn't even use the word "fault." The responses to the "Ain't gettin' a vaccine!" guy were totally fine. It's just that this was something that was obviously going to get out of control. (I think I left explanations to that effect, but I often screw that up, so maybe not.)
 

SupremeFist

Senior Member
I used to write a minorly prominent blog with comments enabled, and the only thing that worked for me to make it a place for really interesting, respectful discussion (which it was!) was to moderate the troublemakers really mercilessly, harshly, and probably sometimes unfairly, until it became self-policing for the most part. Obviously it wasn't "censorship" if I declined to use the bandwidth I was paying for to publish some random dude's abuse, nor is it here.

I'm actually amazed how civilised this forum is given Mike has such a light hand with moderation, which is one of the reasons I love the place. 🤘🏻
 

ka00

Senior Member
I made a poorly worded post yesterday in that thread stating that soliciting feedback can help on the path to turning mediocre work into great work. A sort of verbal fertilizer (bullshit on this forum, if you will!). I definitely didn't mean to lump William's music into that term "mediocre", in case it came across that way. It is fair to say that his music, like @iank stated is in the top 1% of work shared on the forum. I deleted that post before Mike could, but I apologize @MikeGreene if that contributed to sullying the positive resolution. PS: Check out William's 60 minute film if you get a chance. Really great music.
 

Mike Greene

Senior Member
Moderator
I made a poorly worded post yesterday in that thread stating that soliciting feedback can help on the path to turning mediocre work into great work. A sort of verbal fertilizer (bullshit on this forum, if you will!). I definitely didn't mean to lump William's music into that term "mediocre", in case it came across that way. It is fair to say that his music, like @iank stated is in the top 1% of work shared on the forum. I deleted that post before Mike could, but I apologize @MikeGreene if that contributed to sullying the positive resolution. PS: Check out William's 60 minute film if you get a chance. Really great music.
Not at all. Seemed totally fine to me, and I wouldn't have deleted it. To be clear, 99% of people here are totally cool and have no reason to apologize for anything. The last thing I want is for people like you to think you need to watch what you say. You don't. For 99% of us, it's in our nature to be cool without worrying about it, so definitely carry on how you normally would.

The mass of posts I deleted yesterday were side topics, that were amusing and completely fine in a normal thread, but for a volatile thread like that one, the sooner it ends, the better, so I felt Guy's and Dear Villain's posts were nice endings and I closed it there.
 

dohm

Musical Voyager
This is the best forum on the interwebs, imo. Thanks for the thoughtful moderating Mike! I really like reading the majority of posts here.
 

Toecutter

Let's end this peacefully
I'm very thankful to @ka00 for sharing Kersten's video (it got deleted with other posts) because I didn't know the guy's work and became a fan XD I dig 40s mysterious surreal Val Lewton-ish sort of mindfuck and Althyria did all that with great mastery. 60 minutes went by and I was left speechless thinking how we were discussing some internet meltdown instead of celebrating that man's amazing work ethic. I hope Mike won't mind me sharing it again?



And great great great music by a great composer that shouldn't have left and only needed a big hug!

 

GNP

Senior Member
VI-Control is not a political forum. As I explain in this thread, cleverly titled, "Yes, I'm Deleting a Lot of Posts," I delete most political posts, right or left.
I beg to differ, because the mods here delete more of the right than the left, in my personal experience.

Also, please don't pretend like VI "isn't a political forum", when mods here have started "ONLY WOMEN" threads, and have deleted posts made by men, even when they're leaning towards the mods.
 

darkogav

Active Member
A lot of music forums are populated by their fair share of looney tunes. I actually find VI-Control one of the most civil. Just stick to discussing music and stay away from politics.
 

robgb

Inspiration is for amateurs
I beg to differ, because the mods here delete more of the right than the left, in my personal experience.
There's a reason for this and it has nothing to do with bias. Mike explained it perfectly in his response to the OP.
 

MauroPantin

I engrave little black dots
I'm going to ignore momentarely the fact that this is a private forum and if the owner wants to run it as a LiBeRaL ShEePlE eChO cHaMbEr, he's well in his right to do so and you are free to just, you know, close your browser.

Posts contrary to my understanding of medical science, virology, geology, and physics are dangerous and unacceptable.
This is a misrepresentation of what happens when this kind of issues are discussed. The scientific paradigm we live under is achieved by consensus, not by looking up fringe conspiracy theories or disseminating anecdotal evidence as the truth of a complex situation. Scientists are always very clear about what the consensus is and where the possible holes in their hypothesis are. So far, and at least in the experiences I have watched unfold in my time here, Mike and all other moderators have always based decisions on what the general scientific consensus is. I welcome any evidence to the contrary to change my mind.

I'm not trying to overstep my bounds and speak for Mike here, but I absolute support this statement: Posts contrary to the concurrent general consensus of medical science, virology, geology and physics (and other disciplines) that are not backed up with hard data ARE dangerous and should not be allowed.

Whoever disagrees with the consensus should either go test any hypothesis they may hold and come back with actual data (a google search, a post from a soccer mom Facebook group or anecdotal evidence portrayed as the reality of the whole population of the planet are not data) OR get a refund on their education, 'cuz the scientific method is taught in elementary school. The third and better option is to accept people who devote their life to science might know a thing or two the rest of us don't and maybe accept that consensus.

If none of those option works, then more power to whoever deletes that crap and prevents it from being disseminated. We don't live in the middle ages, most of this stuff is measurable and there's tons of empirical evidence that support some of the incredibly BASIC truths that have to be defended day after day against PhDs graduated magna-cum-asshole from University of YouTube.

I'm sorry to be blunt and rude, but I am absolutely tired of reading this kind of bullshit. All of this was predicted by Carl Sagan in "The Demon Haunted World" and yet it couldn't be avoided; and now people that use a GPS daily run amok telling others that the earth is flat, it's fucking depressing.
 
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iaink

iaink

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I didn't say anything about vaccines, knee pads, or the rest of it.

I posted something about a member's music, and criticized what I thought was quite a cruel attack... got deleted anyway.

Stage 4.
 

Michaelt

Senior Member
Does this thread title refer to the insidious creep of censorship, or imply that MikeG is a censoring creep?
 

Mike Greene

Senior Member
Moderator
I didn't say anything about vaccines, knee pads, or the rest of it.
Seems to me three of your five Stages are about how I moderate politics and science, but okay.

I posted something about a member's music, and criticized what I thought was quite a cruel attack... got deleted anyway.
File this one under "Late to the Party." Whether or not it was a cruel attack was already covered pretty well in the thread, and people had moved on to the group hug stage. I'm not a fan of gratuitous drama in the main sections of the forum, so I made a decision to end the thread on a high note. (IMO this last page of the thread is a pretty nice ending, and I imagine the 29 other people whose posts were also deleted would agree. Without posting in two separate threads to complain about it.)

You may disagree, but at the end of the day, the forum is a take-it-or-leave affair. I'm at peace with the fact that I'll never please everyone, so it's up to you to decide whether you can accept that.
 

José Herring

Lost in Cyberspace
I got a post deleted in the infamous thread yesterday and I cried myself to sleep last night.

In all seriousness though, I'm not a fan of the title of the thread at all. Seems like a thinly veiled intentional play on words to make the meaning ambiguous. Mike is way more tolerant than I would be.
 
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