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This is a seriously fun instrument. I also find it pitches down nicely and takes on a nice coloring with the stretching.

Mine charged at $195. One reason I bought immediately was I was concerned it was a pricing error, since they don't usually stack EDU discounts on intro pricing. So maybe they are in the process of taking it away.

And a decent manual, and hopefully some tutorials to come. The biggest drawback of Berlin Studio is that it has neither a manual nor tutorials, nor even a developer walkthrough.

I don't know. Somehow this plugin just ended up in my cart, Paypal processed a payment, and it's now downloading. This keeps happening to me. It's like my machine has a mind of its own. For whatever reason, I had a very good price. I mean, still pricey for a reverb, but I also have a very large...

I think it's CPU that you need to be worried about with this one more than RAM. RAM is more a sample library problem.

Yes, hard to know what means though, not knowing exactly which computer Paul is using, or if the CPU report is shared among the multiple instances of the plugin.

Any word on how CPU intensive this is?

This started happening to me about the time I moved to my new machine in January. I changed so much at the time I wasn’t sure what was causing it but @Jdiggity1 ’s speculation that it’s Logic’s doing tracks for me.

I have and love pro. But I also love the sound of Air, and the outriggers are very nice for that, as are the stereo mixes, which is what I use most, since they save on RAM. So if you think you can work with the sound of Air, there's a lot more you can do with Pro in terms of shaping the sound...

This is an explanation that makes sense, and I had proposed earlier that perhaps the woodwind positions might be less affected because they were centered whereas the brass were off to the sides before the discussion careened off into how strings are much wider than woodwinds as though anyone...

I didn't compare woodwinds to the strings. The strings are very wide. It's obvious why they would be treated differently. Let's keep the conversation on point. I compared the woodwinds to the brass, to the horns and then to the trumpets, trombones, and tuba. With three players per instrument...

Is this in fact true, that the woodwinds are more homogeneous? And more so than the trumpets, trombones, and tuba? I mean there are decisions being made on the basis of cost or efficiency that some differences are worth capturing whereas others are not; and that's all well and good. But...

Except we don’t. There’s still a dearth of a decent variety of shorts across the board as well as extended techniques that are well organized and moderately playable. Strings still don’t sound like they are playing with any kind of coherent bowing. Fast passages don’t sound great. Woodwinds are...

I understand the differences. I just wonder about how much the three horn techniques affect the IR compared to different positions in the woodwind section. I mean Peter made a decision that the woodwind positions are negligible and so can all use the same IR whereas the three horn positions are...

Within reason, I see no reason to worry about write speeds of external SSDs.

This sounds like you didn’t select vst/vst3 during the plugin installation process or that you inadvertently installed them to a nonstandard location. I would try installing again and look that you install the vst/vst3 versions for Cubase to the proper location.

It could be. I feel I’m buying new libraries as fast as I ever was and have to leave as many unbought as I ever did. SF has maybe slowed down a bit. But we now have Crow Hill mostly making up for any deficit in SF releases. OT and VSL are releasing regularly. East West is back to a somewhat...

It seems that way with the various initiatives, bargain sales, and weird price cuts that suggest a company desperately trying to increase cash flow. A lot of a similar energy I was feeling from cinesamples last summer. But it may all change if tomorrow SF suddenly release the rest of the AR1...

I don’t feel like the pace of release is much reduced, at least taken collectively across the industry. But the amount of hype for each release seems much less, even for big releases. There are many releases that don’t even get announced here, and that seems new. And forum users seem less...

Is it safe? Has anyone tried it yet?

Logic. But his was an experiment using Unify in stand alone and running it alternatively as an insert and a send to match. The sends in Unify are all post fader I think. But I just muted the source inside the send version of Berlin Studio. When using it as an insert you don't turn down the...

Is this correct? My understanding was that the IR captured directional information for the mics so you send a centered image to the various mics and the IRs produce the various components of the mic arrays from that. It's not exactly "positioned" though, but recordings of the position. Then...

Ok, I was just testing this, and I'm not finding that the source is included in the send when it is turned off in the plugin. I muted the "source" in Berlin Studio on the send rather than turning the fader down, and I wasn't using a prefader send because it was just a quick and dirty test. But...

I don't think this is correct. I think it's possible to use Berlin Studio in a basic way without a manual, and it is possible to get good basic functionality that way. But there are many options I don't use because I don't really understand why I'd use them. But the options are there on the...

You could try tagging @Peter Roos and see if he'll answer. Or write to support. I recall Peter said there is no time because of the new products and because he's basically a one person operation, so either he writes the manuals and makes tutorials or he works on the products. Maybe he should...

I guess what I'm saying is that Berlin Studio is designed to emulate a mic array, and we don't—at least I don't—think about mic arrays on sends. We think of mic arrays as belonging to instruments and so conceptually as inserts, though I guess there's no reason not to allow a send if you are...

I never found it to be a problem, and I’ve used them fairly extensively. It’s true that much of the library has fairly quiet sounds, and that means that the noise floor is closer to the musical sounds than, say, a forte patch. And if you turn the volume up past a certain point you will hear the...

I think not always exactly as the orchestrators wrote it in terms of layout but the idea seems to be to replicate the notes, markings, instructions, and parts from the orchestrators’ scores while creating scores as legible as possible on 9 x 12 paper. I don’t know if fitting on 9x12 paper was a...

Yes, I get that, but SF doesn't charge you for the upgrade to SSS. That's my point. If you only own SSS and upgrade to SSO, you get credit for owning SSS in your pricing. So at best the "upgrade" is only a small incentive to encourage buying the bundle, and since the GUI won't show properly, it...

Most of the posts deleted from this thread have been so for reasons explained in post 17. (This one likely will be deleted as well.)

Once upon a time there were issues with 8Dio libraries and disks formatted with APFS. I don’t know if that was ever resolved. Since I don't often hear complaints any longer, I imagine it has been or fewer people are using their 8Dio libraries. In any case you likely had to find an update to...

Hope so! If there’s a technical solution that bypasses the need to get developer permission and avoids legal liability, that would of course be ideal. Because I don’t see developers generally being willing to enter into these discussions.

Except if you own the libraries that constitute the new SSO you get the update for free. So SF isn’t exactly charging for the update, only motivating those who don’t own the full bundle of libraries to upgrade to it. The explanation also still doesn’t make sense given the marginal utility this...

I’ve never used it as a send and it doesn’t seem designed for that use. As a send, as I understand it, the level on your fader will be the source mic. So I assume you are sending prefader and turning the fader on the track off and comparing that to the settings used as an insert. Is that...

We need a better explanation for why developers want to restrict this. The nominal one about IP control seems a red herring and is more a mechanism for closing down the circulation than an explanation. Any damage from this IP circulating apart from the samples is an edge case of an edge case. So...

I agree. I’ve complained about it. The plugin has a learning curve, especially if you’ve not spent a lot of time with other reverbs. There are controls (decay and width) that I don’t fully understand with respect to emulation, and so when and how I might use them. It would be nice to have a set...

Adagio was a lot more expensive when it was released. So there’s that. But if you really want to feel sad, 8dio was long selling the original as an add on to anthology for $8, and that deal persisted long into the 8dio high glitch era. (I think the original is a more interesting library, though...

I did send SF the error report. Not sure how the IR would go missing.

I just got BBCSO and so can’t yet compare, but my experience has been that most of SF player libraries load about as fast as I’d expect compared to similar libraries in Kontakt or Sine. Colossus is an exception though. It takes forever to load and technically completes loading since the little...

Not sure what you mean. You mean delete and reinstall the folder that holds the sets?

So weird. I can do it like clockwork. It doesn't matter if an articulation set is loaded or not, whether I have a full template or one instrument. Sometimes the beachball only puts in a very brief appearance, but other times it can be several seconds. It's not clear why it varies in this way...

The rainbow ball of confusion still happens frequently to me, and I can trigger it every time I click on the "articulation set" drop down in the track inspector. It doesn't appear for long, maybe a second or two, but I still find it very weird that it happens at all. This is long standing...

But won’t that make it impossible to search for my sample libraries? I mean I don’t need the drive indexed to the level of individual samples, but I do use it to remember which drive I put a library on.

I have an M2 Studio Ultra 192GB and I quite like it for all sorts of reasons but I can't say that I find it exceptionally faster than my 2020 i9 iMac for any particular task. I've been quite surprised by that. The Studio still hangs in Logic where the iMac hung (there are some tasks like...

The more interesting claims of the article involve residuals that remain (or dissipate) after the bubble bursts. While I'm no fan of crypto currency, one thing that bubble did leave behind when it burst was an excess of GPUs, which AI quickly acquired and put into service. So even crypto was...

SCS, even with the close mics, is not going to get you to dry. The SF close mics in Air are designed to dial in detail to the tree or outrigger rather than to make the mix drier. That said if you don't think you want the ambience of Air, then I don't think it makes much sense to get Pro. The...

Goonies seems pretty good to me. I haven’t looked at Twilight Zone. Krull and the Day the Earth Stood Still have problems but not considerably more than Omni or Siddall. They all suffer to one degree or another from not realizing they need an editorial philosophy and of the three only Neumation...

I wouldn’t say Siddall’s or Omni’s stuff is great from this standpoint either. Lots of errors and very questionable editorial decisions by all of them. But Neumation has improved in recent scores and their editorial practice is more transparent. It is certainly the case that Krull has a lot of...

Why? The Neumation scores have become very good. (I wasn’t especially happy with The Day the Earth Stood Still and Krull but the recent scores seem much better.)

Me too!

It’s nice enough. I have large horn sections I like better but especially for the price this one is very nice.

As folks have mentioned, the stereo mixes are one of the real highlights of Pro. They really reduce RAM usage. In addition you get the outriggers and other additional mics: close ribbons, a stereo pair, and gallery mics. Personally, I use the stereo mixes all the time, and for SSO I use them...

I hate to link to the site formerly known as Twitter: The full score of the Mummy, Spring 2024, so any day now.

Yes, but SF has never charged for updates in scripting before this, only new samples, and they aren't charging for instruments you already own for this version. And you wouldn't have any new samples (if the updated version of SSO even has those). I mean, maybe SF is changing policy on that (and...

Actually, I see that they have a new (?) opera singer for $40 that seems to have been released a couple of months ago simultaneously for SoundPaint and Kontakt. https://8dio.com/products/studio-vocals-operatic-soprano She seems a bit better done than most of the 8dio classical solo singers...

What new Kontakt libraries have they released recently? This is an honest ask. Going through my email, I see lots of new SoundPaint offers (mostly ports from Kontakt), but I didn't see any new Kontakt libraries.

No, if you owned all the BML libraries you didn't have to pay for the (old) SSO, and if you owned only parts of BML you got credit for owning those bits and a price reduction. If you owned BML libraries you also got a reduction on the upgrade to pro, at least on the initial offer, because you...

I don't know. I'm pretty sure competitors—at least those a company like SF would worry about—have other ways of getting at the scripting if they have some reason to want to. One explanation that makes some sense is that somehow new nkis can read old samples. But even there, it doesn't really...

Including 8dio's own, SoundPaint (not exactly a rompler, but where the future of that company lies). Personally, I have no particular love for Kontakt, especially Kontakt Player libraries. And, yes, for all the complaints against other sample players, Kontakt itself or Native Access's...

Maybe. Now that they've been encoded, 8dio may start selling the player library versions instead.

The MusicTech Help Guy videos are basic but well organized and strike a good balance between being thorough and not going too fast but also not being too detailed or moving glacially slow. I recently watched his full set as a refresher, since I'd missed a lot of the updates when my system fell...

Lots of negatives and few positives to the libraries being converted to Player libraries. Knowing what I know about 8dio, I have to imagine that NI gave 8dio a very good deal on licenses, or somehow 8dio avoided the necessity of buying large numbers of licenses. I mean, they've been more or less...

Somehow I ended up with (and still have) two QS6s, and a couple of the cards... The synths and cards still worked last time I checked though I haven't set them up to use in ages. I'm also a sucker for these sorts of demos, well, if I'm honest, demos of any sort that are really written as demos...

Also not a developer but I still don’t see how AI is supposed to work as a general business proposition. I can see it more or less wiping out library music.That seems to me likely. But the amount of money circulating in that domain hardly seems sufficient to justify the investments that are...

Polymaps are great but too easy to inadvertently break, so if you use one be sure to save it as a preset so you can quickly recall it.

The page gets intercepted. I can see it and then it is replaced by the future notifications page.

I would have bought either MSB or MSS with a decent coupon. I didn't see a need for LASS Lite or LADD, so though I was offered them with Silver, I passed.

WTF, dude? You're the one who comes crashing into the thread with the announcement that shockingly "HOOPUS is on sale I tell you HOOPUS is on sale," with no qualification whatsoever that more or less the same deal had been offered according to your own reckoning just 4 months ago. Yes, I was...

Yeah, I think they think they are making it simpler by not giving numbers. But it does make it very hard to replicate the settings, and since with choirs especially you often end up using more than one instance for a variety of reasons, it's really important to be able to transfer the settings...

That's my recollection, though I haven't looked at that aspect of the library carefully since early January. Yes, you can select which sub-choirs you want to include in your choir, so as long as you are willing to work with fewer voices, you can shape the choir reasonably well to bring out...

This can be controlled somewhat in the expanded version by selecting particular sub-choirs. I find the effect much less pronounced on the lower dynamic layers. With the expanded content it is possible to put together a choir that has much less vibrato since not all of the sub-choirs have it to...

Not really because it’s fully playable immediately and it’s still a big load—by itself AR1 violin 1 is nearly as big as all of Abbey Road One Foundations—since I haven’t yet optimized the preload buffer for the NVMe. I ran it again and it was actually closer to 20 seconds this time before the...

I don't have BBCSO, which would probably be the best alternate test, since it is also very large, but I do have many other SF player libraries, and none of them have anything like this issue.

For me, Colossus is the only library in the SF Player that gives me these long load times.

This is surprising. I reran the test using the same template as before but now on my Studio with Colossus on an NVMe connected via TB3 enclosure that usually delivers around 1500 MB/s according to the Black Magic test, and it's clocking in even slower to load now than when running it off a SATA...

Let's hope it's sooner rather than five or ten years from now...

Hayden sounds more pop/pop indie to me than classical, though I haven't gone looking for examples that might exploit his voice further. If you think you were able to push him into a sustained classical register I'd love to hear it. I've heard snatches here and there of various Synth V voices...

Yes, Synth V voices are very good. Just wishing they’d release some classically trained voices.

Which unlike the old Reddit sites, say, are not on the open internet and so you need to know someone to get an invitation, a bit broader maybe than being in the industry network, where they have always circulated (in xerox before PDFs) but likely not that much broader.

It takes a long time to load, more than ten minutes to load my whole Colossus template from a SSD in a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure when I tested it on my i9 iMac in Logic. I haven’t tried it now that I have it on a NVMe and an enclosure that rates much faster. I imagine it will be quite a lot faster...

It is certainly great hearing about your experiences and you write so colorfully. It’s really quite delightful. Keep it coming.

No offense! I’ve just always had issues whenever I’ve tried to get this to work. It starts out fine but then I start editing the midi and conflicts arise, I find automation inexplicably being written to the wrong midi channel (that is, other than channel 1) when I try to edit it or add it...

Good enough that playing it on my iPhone I forgot I was listening to a mock up while I was looking at other things.

They can and do pdf them, but the exchanges that popped up to facilitate their circulation got closed down for whatever reason. It’s hard to figure since the studios themselves haven’t been that interested in exploiting the full scores. It’s only been very recently that Omni, Siddall, and...

I wouldn’t take it too hard. You are an entertaining writer in part because you write hyperbolically and say things like “LASS is like a bad fart.” That will upset people who are using it and making music with it—and there are plenty who still do even if they aren’t working in Hollywood. But the...

I’ve generally had very good experiences with OT support. It’s rare they don’t respond within 24 hours even on weekends.

There’s an event chaser script that I’ve used. And I’ve used the multiscript for Kontakt that Babylon Waves supplies with its articulation sets. They are both good and they both clone the CC and work fine so long as you are only recording midi. The problems start when you edit midi or change...

Thank you. I need to consolidate these into a set of playlists and post them for easier reference. I think they usefully show capabilities of the various solo strings libraries for quartet writing.

It’s mostly at 70% off these days with occasional buy HOOPUS get another library or plugin free. In fact since the beginning of the year I think it’s been offered at 70% off plus something else more than just 70% off and I’m not sure it’s been offered at less than 70% off at all during that period.

You only said that in the follow up. Your original post “HOOPUS is on sale” was the equivalent of saying the sun rises in the morning. Since it was made in the context of a thread that pointed out that the Audiobro libraries are not really on sale either, it’s only fair to say the same about...

If you want to say “HOOPUS is on sale and you get Forbidden Planet for free” then say that. That’s quite a different statement from saying “HOOPUS is on sale,” which is like the opposite of news.

HOOPUS is almost always on sale.

I would say that none of these (Berlin, LASS, and MSS) are especially easy libraries to use, though they are all fairly comprehensive and are capable of excellent results, if you are drawn to the sounds you are hearing. And it will depend greatly on what you want to spend your time working on.

This is the first time I've seen someone report MSS Expanded included with the Silver add-on.

This, though the deals offered as an add on to getting Silver are better than the usual prices. But the other stuff—these are all what I'd consider ordinary pricing.

I’m running 2 OWC Thunderbays daisy chained on a single TB4 Studio Ultra port. One Thunderbay is TB2, the other TB3. I’m finding no issue serving samples off those 8 SSDs, though speeds are what you’d expect, that is, not great. But that only comes into play loading a project. So there may be a...

Here’s the list from 2023 Dec. 4 Fantasy for 99€ Dec. 5 Espressivo for 99€ Dec. 6 Indie for 99€, Indie 2 for 99€ Dec 7 idiophones 50€ Dec 8 80 for 80€ Dec. 9 percussion da Brazil 15€ Dec 10 tutti Vox 99€ Dec. 11 Sotto 99€ Dec. 12 ostinato quartet free to 500 Dec. 13 capriccio 99€ Dec. 14...

I seem to recall these are in line with those. What I remember is 50% off newer libraries, 60% off older. So the deals on older libraries might be a bit better, but you have to wait 7 months, and the library you want may not be on offer.

I just think running it through a notation program, even one that has DAW-like capabilities like Dorico, is introducing new complexities that makes figuring out what's going on with the instrument harder. Good to hear that you are making progress! My advice is to take a short passage and play...

I don't have either CSS or CS2 and I'm not at all an expert mixer, so take everything with several grains of salt. If I recall correctly, CS2 is the larger ensemble, and already close to symphonic in size. The first thing I would do is work to maximize the impression of size; adding reverb...