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What's it like living in LA in 2022?

What’s the area for up and comers nowadays? Silverlake/echo park maybe?
I should have clarified that I was in West Hollywood not for composing, but because I came to L.A. to be a rock star. (That didn't happen, obviously, but that was why I came here.) This was the mid 80s, and since the storied Sunset Strip was in West Hollywood, it was the place I figured I had to be.

If I were moving to L.A. now, West Hollywood would still be nice, and it's very central, but it's obviously not the rock mecca that it was. For composing, Silverlake sounds good to me. The Valley is good, too, although I'd lean south and maybe east. I'm partial to Studio City, not just because we live there, but because I think it's the highest concentration of "industry" people, aside from Santa Monica or Topanga. Cost is an obvious factor, though.

One problem with more expensive areas (other than the "more expensive" part), is that in ritzy areas, your neighbors are less likely to be "up and coming." Stephen Spielberg would be a fun neighbor, but the odds of him actually hiring me to score his next movie would still be zero, even if I lived next door.

Now that I think about it, I think the exact area is less important than simply getting out of the house. Poker games, golf, kids' school events, whatever. Heck, when my son started school, I tried to convince my accountant to let us deduct his tuition as a business expense, because the networking opportunities were insane.

I started typing some stories about that (as we all know, I can go on and on when it comes to my favorite topic - me!), but I realize I should be careful that I don't paint too glowing a picture. With my son's schools, for instance, I've met lots of cool people, including directors and producers, a couple of which turned into gigs. But I don't go to these school events (or games or whatever) with networking in mind, because that wouldn't be very fun. Plus, realistically, if I'm chatting with some producer about a period piece he's doing, there's no way I'm going to convince him that I, a rock and roller who stumbled into Barbie and Hip Hop, am the perfect guy to give him his orchestral score. Especially since people at that level almost always already have a guy. I'd rather just enjoy the conversation.

The truth is that even in Los Angeles, even if your kids go to an artsy progressive school, even if you're invited to chummy poker games, even if you're meeting people right and left ... this is still a near impossible business to break into. So I don't want to make it seem like my story could happen to anyone.

Especially because my story was set in a totally different time where there were opportunities to make a name for yourself through sheer perseverance. I'm primarily a keyboard player and I arrived in Los Angeles at a time where keyboardists were becoming production kings. Sequencing and sampling were new, and that was our domain.

It was also expensive, which was actually a good thing, because every nickel I made went into more gear (believe me, I can save), so I could buy more than everybody else. I had a $3/day food budget (yes, really), I had no furniture, not even a chair, and I sold my 280Z and bought a former coroner's station wagon for $600. (Looking back, I'm baffled that women would go out with me.)

That frugality bought me (over time) a cassette 4-track, an MSQ-700 sequencer, a Prophet 2000 sampler and an SP-12 drum machine. (Along with the usual synths and my trusty Ibanez.) One guy would later joke about me, "We knew Mike was our guy when we went to his apartment and there was nothing there but food and gear."

Nowadays, any bozo with a laptop can get into this game, but back then, my setup was rare, and that opened a lot of doors, including starting a decent songwriting career, since I could demo my own songs for free. That got me my first gold record, which I mention because putting that on the wall gave me still more credibility ("Wow, Mike must be legit!") which opened even more doors. In that same vein, this is why that DJ hired me, because he could hear me making tracks through the paper thin walls.

Now ... I realize this is totally self-indulgent, but this has all got me reminiscing. So if you'll indulge me, here's the first track I made when I got my P2000 sampler. (Getting that first sampler was a huge deal to me.) This was around the time of Paul Hardcastle's "19", so I sampled Ginger from Gilligan's Island off my TV speaker, and I played it live against a 2-bar sequenced bassline and beat:

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The point of all this (before I got lost down memory lane) is that the mid 80's isn't 2022. I have a certain arrogance that makes me think that if I were starting over and moved to L.A. all over again, even in today's environment, I'd still make it. Because I'm that good, dammit! But ... would I? The competition today is staggering, and unlike in my day, the price of admission is peanuts, so its harder to stand out.

With that said, good composers can, and do, stand out. Mind you, I don't know that I actually am a great composer, or a great songwriter, or a great keyboard player. But I think I am, so even with the much worse odds today, I would do it all again. The cost/benefit analysis probably says don't come here, and I'd know defeat is likely. (To be clear, it was then, too.) But for me, I would have to do it, and I think that's ultimately the deciding factor.

Hmmm, even by my standards, that is one rambling post. I'll offer as an excuse that I have a really bad cold and I may be overmedicating. ;)
 
A buddy of mine lived in a big loft in downtown LA for many years. Grew to hate it - too grungy. Moved to Woodland Hills (which is in between Calabasas and Topanga, about as far west as you can get and still say you're in LA). Liked it better.

Even pre-pandemic, he realized that no directors were coming over to his place, and everything was remote via Zoom / Source Connect / etc. So he....

Moved to Hawaii!

He's building a house from the ground up, and the build cost is around $500 per square foot, even in the middle of the ocean. You'd have to cut some serious corners to build for that price in LA. Most new residential of a decent quality is $700-1,000 per foot. And the land was MUCH cheaper. This was a surprise to me as I thought for sure Hawaii costs would be double the mainland. And for the price he paid for the empty lot in Hawaii, in a gated community with ocean view, nice wide streets, and fast internet, was what you'd pay for a postage stamp of dirt in a crap area way north in the Valley in LA. Surprised me too.

He's still in a rented house out there while the build takes place, but I do Zooms with him all the time and the island internet is fine. They even have Google Fiber in lots of areas!

Now, I'm not using his example to suggest moving to Hawaii, just as further evidence that for many folks it now matters less where you are physically located. And pandemic proved this. He was able to sell his LA house for 1.5x what he paid five years prior, partly because so many people wanted to move out of Hollywood and out to the 'burbs once they realized they could WFH etc.

He's well-established, in his sixties, and isn't doing AAA features or grinding out three network series at a time. He does HBO limited series, documentaries, and stuff like that, so not at the top of the heap but not scrabbling in the dirt either. His kids are grown and out of the house, just him and the wife. So while that example doesn't really apply for someone getting started or establishing a foothold or whatever, it's just further evidence that the pandemic and Zoom proved that, for some folks, location matters less than it might have 3-5 years ago.

Hell, I just did a cable movie last fall and I didn't see anyone in person the whole time. Might as well have been on Mars - if they have Google Fiber on Mars that is
Totally understandable that he did this move now that the kids are grown and Hawaii is much more relaxing. Great that both of you are still in touch 😉
 
Back to the original question in the thread title - what's it like living in LA in 2022?

• Expensive. Rent / real estate is bonkers. Just beyond all reason. Rent, buy, it doesn't matter. It's insane.

• Expensive. Gas prices are the highest in the land.

• Expensive. Dinner for two at In-N-Out Burger = $20. Dinner for two at a nice place = $100+.

• Expensive. Besides the hard costs of real estate, ancillary costs like brush fire insurance (if you need it) are just wild. My previous insurer (AIG) got hit so hard with claims after the big Woolsey fire that they just folded up their tent and ceased doing business in CA altogether. It was a slog to find a replacement carrier inside the 30 days notice that AIG gave us. And the premiums, once we did find a carrier? You don't wanna know. But unless you live out in the wilderness in Topanga or the Malibu canyons you won't need it.

But it's still possible to find a way. And you do get that electricity from being just down the street from the center of the action, even if you're on the outside looking in. And although it's a bit abstract, I reckon that's a big part the American experience in general, and the LA experience for creatives - the boundless optimism. The idea that anything is possible. The sky's the limit. In all the places I've lived, I could pretty clearly see the ceiling, the limit to what might be achievable - but not in LA. The story of the Rick Rubin types who start a record label in their dorm room and rise to the level of industry titan is no longer a New York Story™. These days that story is quintessentially Los Angeles. (and of course Rick is in LA now).

And even though I never really aspired to be an HZ or a Rick Rubin (my tastes and abilities are a bit too left of center for that to be realistic), the simple fact that someone could, and that someone DID do that, added some accelerant to my fire.

So that's an undefinable, unquantifiable aspect that might add energy and enthusiasm for some folks, at some phases in their journey. Plus, it's harder to feel beaten down by life when you're strolling along the beach on a beautiful day eating a street taco (even if the taco was $6). And LA has 364 beautiful days a year (like I said, it does rain one day per year!). Even when I was broke like a joke, I still loved LA.

Thing is, once you're here, the costs for enjoying the amenities is the same whether you're rich or poor. Example: in Santa Monica, public parking in the big structures or on the beach lots is free for the first 90 minutes, and max out at around $20 for a whole day - and beach lots are totally free after 5:30pm until sunset. Takes a while to figure out the loopholes to not paying out the wazoo for every single thing in LA, but there are a lot of loopholes. If you live the DoorDash / Uber lifestyle you'll be draining cash like crazy, but if you have a half-decent, shaggy-but-reliable car that gets decent mileage it's not too bad. Sure there are a lot of Teslas on the roads, but a LOT more Priuses (Priuii?). I don't know anyone who daily drives a fancy-ass car, except my business manager (maybe that should concern me....).

TL;DR = If you're young, resilient, and optimistic enough to not notice or care that your dresser is a $99 floor model from Ikea, and that your car has a big scratch down the side, you'll be fine. Maybe if you're older, have kids, or just plain value comfort and stability over quote-unquote "boundless opportunity", it might not look as attractive. But that's okay, LA will be here if and when you're ready.
Might print this out and frame it after the last few years I've had, thanks
 
Yeah, its hard to see similar stories nowadays with just how bad the housing market has become. Rent or buy. Its not aywhere as bad as when i decided to go for it in 2003.

I stayed at a friends couch and the second week i moved to LA i was working for kc porter who is one of the biggest hollywood producers (pop music), from santana, ricki martin to celine dion and a whole bunch of latin pop rock ive used to listen when as a teen. I didnt even know who he was. IT was so rushed. I just knew he had a pair of orignal neve preamps serial number 08 or something. Thats all i needed to know lol.
So basically the assistant had a family emergency and i was just there... at the living room listening and one of my freinds saying.. hey you want to work there? Sure.

The guy had so many gold//platinum records i though it was marketing material as it was pilled up against corners and the names where just too famous for me to even grasp it. Even if he had his studio in his mansion in calabasas somewhere.
Until i saw in one dark corner, under some book a gold record of a really old band from my country and i asked him if he knew that band.... well.. that was a stupid question and realized it as soon it came out and he looked at me wierd. Like a month working with the guy and he realized i didnt know who he was while getting tons of calls from poeple to work with him.

Anyways, worked with him a while and met all these top engineers and mixers who mix and produce the top bands. from beastie boys to no doubt. There... seeing how they did stuff. in front of me. no biggie. It wasn't this ether or smoke of how the big name prodcuers/engineers work.. they just did it.

I later movedon to post and scoring etc. but always seemed easy to find a job. or a side gig or something or someone looking for help. At least at the start. Getting to be an audio engineer or in house composer for these studios take time and networking.

There are also a ton of random work and even if you are a composer you might end up doing something else and still be happy. There is many who share the same passion so its more enjoyable and still can find stuff and friends to colaborate. I got to meet some of the remote control crowd like steve jablonsky, heitor pereira and hanz zimmer. So in a way it helped somehow seeing them as mortals, in the flesh. lol.

So i guess it worked for me. Nowadays i don tknow how it would be. I know there has been a ton of change in the music for film world where when i was deciding to move to LA i didnt even think of it. IT wasnt seen as being cool.
And even 10 years ago i could go to random soundcloud playlists and music sounded terrible. Now, i randomly check stuff and the quality is much better. And seeing some of these composers like junkie xl and trevor morris announce they need an assistant and its pages and pages of posts here or thousands of comments in facebook. Man that's tough.

Also, i dont know if its obvous to many. But you need money to be a composer. You cannot just imagine moving to LA and making money instantly. ITs like 2-4 years of using savings or someone paying for it or having a side business that pays while you do something else.
I think thats the real secret to making it in LA. Most if not all internships dont pay and assitants dont get paid nearly enough to make it half a month in LA.
Or somehow you had an ongoing gig and now you moved. I think Cellweller did this for example. Although i think he is moving back to detroid. In LA he probably made a lot of connections. With composers and libraries and labels.
Thats another options. Plan of living in LA for about 3-4 years and move back. Hopefully to a place where its not a million dollars for a shack. Or $800,000 for a burned down house.. in highland park a few blocks from me... really.. like only one wall standing all burned. And it SOLD!!
And im reading that southwest might run out of water. oh.. and traffic is no joke. Its like 23 cities together and if you find a job, it better be the next one over cuz if not your life wil suck. Most jobs for music or creative stuff is newar santa monica, Mar vista, venice. THats like $2 million for a shack there. :-/
Its really really a huge issue that is not getting the attention it deserves.
 
hey, that means fixing it up is a renovation rather than a rebuild!
lol... yes. I later learned about LA wierd laws that are related to hisotric preservation or something. But as long as a house has one standing wall then its taxes/sold a specific way and not another. I forgot the details but LA or CA has some odd laws. Prop 65 is another one where everything cuases cancer... but only in CA lol.

Politics are wierd but LA has some challenges as its dozens of cities together. So i moved a block away from Pasadena to LA and suddenly i needed to pay tons of random taxes and LA is notorious for hunting tax dodgers. Specially in the entertainment business. And cops are totally different and different police philosophy... or even if they ever show up. Homelessness is another biggie.
My goodness.. I doubt anyone would move to LA if it wasnt for the entertainment business haha.
 
Unfortunately I don't come from a family that has money. No trust fund. And no matter how hard I work and no matter how many non music related day jobs I end up slaving away doing, I still never seem to earn anything substantial so the likelihood of me ever getting to LA is ZERO at this point. Just being honest. The cost of living, the cost of eating, the cost of HEALTH CARE. On top of working 120hr weeks as an unpaid intern or salaried which turns out to be around $6 per hour collecting Sushi, pet dogs or driving halfway across the country to paint someone's tropical shag pad. It's all absolutely insane and the only way to be able to do it, when starting from nothing, is by literally earning a fortune, already having a fortune (or by coming from wealthy parents). Shame. I don't have any kids at 41 and dedicated my life to music (and will forever do so because I love it) but lets be honest. Unless you're rich you have no chance in this modern world. I should probably not come online when I'm thinking like this. Back to rewiring the music lab and eating Beans on Toast. 😂
 
Unfortunately I don't come from a family that has money. No trust fund. And no matter how hard I work and no matter how many non music related day jobs I end up slaving away doing, I still never seem to earn anything substantial so the likelihood of me ever getting to LA is ZERO at this point. Just being honest. The cost of living, the cost of eating, the cost of HEALTH CARE. On top of working 120hr weeks as an unpaid intern or salaried which turns out to be around $6 per hour collecting Sushi, pet dogs or driving halfway across the country to paint someone's tropical shag pad. It's all absolutely insane and the only way to be able to do it, when starting from nothing, is by literally earning a fortune, already having a fortune (or by coming from wealthy parents). Shame. I don't have any kids at 41 and dedicated my life to music (and will forever do so because I love it) but lets be honest. Unless you're rich you have no chance in this modern world. I should probably not come online when I'm thinking like this. Back to rewiring the music lab and eating Beans on Toast. 😂
That is often true. Music, Art, Fashion, Acting, lots of creative industries these days seem to require access to funds to get through the very lean starting years in expensive cities.
 
I could easily live in LA, having lived in the 'crap-house' London is for 15yrs - surely LA would be only 50% worse. I'm sure I'm degenerate enough to live there. Nah, I'll leave it for scoundrels.

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious"​

 
Unfortunately I don't come from a family that has money. No trust fund. And no matter how hard I work and no matter how many non music related day jobs I end up slaving away doing, I still never seem to earn anything substantial so the likelihood of me ever getting to LA is ZERO at this point. Just being honest. The cost of living, the cost of eating, the cost of HEALTH CARE. On top of working 120hr weeks as an unpaid intern or salaried which turns out to be around $6 per hour collecting Sushi, pet dogs or driving halfway across the country to paint someone's tropical shag pad. It's all absolutely insane and the only way to be able to do it, when starting from nothing, is by literally earning a fortune, already having a fortune (or by coming from wealthy parents). Shame. I don't have any kids at 41 and dedicated my life to music (and will forever do so because I love it) but lets be honest. Unless you're rich you have no chance in this modern world. I should probably not come online when I'm thinking like this. Back to rewiring the music lab and eating Beans on Toast. 😂
Give me a high five brother! I have no kids either and it's brilliant! (Late 40's)
 
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