Jeremy Spencer
Senior Member
It's more than just reverb for many patches. For example, if you click on the centre, it gives you the option to use for parameters like tightness.
Why I despise the Spitfire Player...Rant alert.
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It's more than just reverb for many patches. For example, if you click on the centre, it gives you the option to use for parameters like tightness.
Jeremy Spencer
Senior Member
Err...I thought you said they should dramatically update and upgrade the Spitfire player to make more sense for composers. And the the player isn't that new.
Labs has been around for awhile now.
Cinemachine
aka Peter
Personally I'm finding the player nice to work with. Yes, it has a few hiccups here and there but everything does.
To me the main things are that clicking through many menus, whether it's mics, access vibrato, or even see more articulations (like Kontakt), is something that could be refined for 'Pro Player', reduce the amount of clicks for the user, it will increase our productivity. (A purge function too would be awesome.)
Regarding the Pro View, it a nice sounding addition. If a pro view is a button which changes the player into a new GUI hopefully this doesn't expand the CPU/ram footprint of the instance. As if it did I'd rather have a separate 'pro' vst to load. For labs, simple is fine. But for large libs like HZ string loads of control with minimum menu hopping is beneficial.
Also just want to say, not complaining, just my thoughts on possible avenues for the player.
To me the main things are that clicking through many menus, whether it's mics, access vibrato, or even see more articulations (like Kontakt), is something that could be refined for 'Pro Player', reduce the amount of clicks for the user, it will increase our productivity. (A purge function too would be awesome.)
Regarding the Pro View, it a nice sounding addition. If a pro view is a button which changes the player into a new GUI hopefully this doesn't expand the CPU/ram footprint of the instance. As if it did I'd rather have a separate 'pro' vst to load. For labs, simple is fine. But for large libs like HZ string loads of control with minimum menu hopping is beneficial.
Also just want to say, not complaining, just my thoughts on possible avenues for the player.
Sub3OneDay
Member
My only complaint is that I can’t purge the library samples from memory - so the player becomes a resource hog very quickly.
To be fair/honest I’ve not updated for a while as don’t have SSD space for the latest update to HZS so this may now be available as a function but it would be a welcome edition I’m sure to all of us not using a massive multiple VEPro server rig!
Other than that, no complaints.
To be fair/honest I’ve not updated for a while as don’t have SSD space for the latest update to HZS so this may now be available as a function but it would be a welcome edition I’m sure to all of us not using a massive multiple VEPro server rig!
Other than that, no complaints.
kimgaboury
New Member
What does it do that Kontakt could not let them do? In other words, why did they switch to their own software?
Cinemachine
aka Peter
Stop piracy at this point on their major libraries.
AndyP
still@work
After a while, I have to correct myself... it's happening on my MacBook. And only there, not on my studio computer.
I hope Spitfire reconsiders his copy protection for the new player. It's not very trustworthy to have to rap so often. Wouldn't be a problem if the number of attempts wasn't limited. Doesn't make sense to me and carries a risk of unusability when you're on the road.
BBC sounds really nice. However, it is completely useless to use because of the repair function. Must contact spitfire every time. And then it takes several days for you to get an answer. Now it has not been possible to use bbc for over a week. So it is impossible to use this library. You also never know if the library works or not. So I can't recommend using this library in a big project.
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dzilizzi
Senior Member
I'm currently resetting and reinstalling the LABS products. I did test the first one after doing it and it seemed to work. I did go through all the locations for the VST files and deleted the dll, vst3 files and cleared the presets before doing the resets. Now I am redownloading and reinstalling everything. I realized it was useless to think about buying BBCSO if I couldn't get the LABS to work.
What good is that if legitimate potential buyers now don't buy it because of the new player?
jbuhler
Senior Member
Sure, you can map it to other things like tightness, but do any of them warrant that much attention and that much real estate?
rgames
Collapsing the Wavefunction
I've also had a lot of trouble with the SF player and the EW Choir. I think this screen grab from the support page pretty much sums it up:
To be fair, the library actually worked when I submitted the last request. It just showed up as unauthorized or in need of repair (or some error like that). So only four times in the last year or so have I not been able to use the EW choir that I paid for, not the five shown in the image. Yeah. That's much better.
They're following the same progressoin that VSL and EWQL followed: first make libraries, then create a custom sample player. Only VSL got it right from the start. I think the most recent version of PLAY is ok, but that took something like 7 years and likely cost EWQL a lot of business.
I and other have been saying for years that other developers should just license the VSL player. It's the best sampler for orchestral libraries by far.
And it works 100% of the time!
rgames
To be fair, the library actually worked when I submitted the last request. It just showed up as unauthorized or in need of repair (or some error like that). So only four times in the last year or so have I not been able to use the EW choir that I paid for, not the five shown in the image. Yeah. That's much better.
They're following the same progressoin that VSL and EWQL followed: first make libraries, then create a custom sample player. Only VSL got it right from the start. I think the most recent version of PLAY is ok, but that took something like 7 years and likely cost EWQL a lot of business.
I and other have been saying for years that other developers should just license the VSL player. It's the best sampler for orchestral libraries by far.
And it works 100% of the time!
rgames
Fleer
Feeding the Trolls
Same here.
jbuhler
Senior Member
Can’t say I prefer it, but I don’t mind it and have never had any of these bug issues.
jbuhler
Senior Member
You also aren't able to go under the hood and tweak it in a serious way, so it makes you focus on other things to draw the music from the instrument. That can be surprisingly liberating!
Cinemachine
aka Peter
This is the trade off currently, but the hope is that there is no issue with the player as it's matures.
Ok, assuming they eventually reach the point where the player is at least as good and as stable as Kontakt, then they still have to get people to "believe it", and it is still unproven what percentage of people who were pirating their Kontakt libraries would actually buy their player libraries if there was no easy way to pirate them.
I understand saying "Fuck all the drawbacks, we want to be independant from NI even at a high cost, because that dependancy is a potentially neck-breaking risk looming over our heads". I might make that choice/investment too in their position. But just as anti-piracy measure it's a huge gamble imho, one that I wouldn't make.
I didn't realize pirating was an issue with big kontakt libraries. If it was popular enough for me to have heard about it I probably would have done it a good amount myself by now.
I suspect it was more than that, in that kontakt limits their ability to be flexible with sales and how they package things perhaps. One example of evidence for this is OT's sine player allowing them to sell instruments a-la-carte. Maybe they could have done that all along but it seems like that's the case.
I suspect it was more than that, in that kontakt limits their ability to be flexible with sales and how they package things perhaps. One example of evidence for this is OT's sine player allowing them to sell instruments a-la-carte. Maybe they could have done that all along but it seems like that's the case.
